We play weak no trump and over a 1 level suit response an opener's rebid of 1NT shows 15-17 HCP. Do I pass here? If I bid 2NT what strength am I showing?
4441 and 17 HCP 1D 2D ?
#2
Posted 2016-February-15, 04:04
Presumably 2N/3♣ responses would be natural not some form of raise, and the only options for partner to raise are 2/3♦.
Can game be on ? of course, AJx, xxx, Qxxx, J10x is a decent 5♦.
I'd bid 2♠, if partner bids 2N or 3♦ I will settle for 3♦, if he bids 3♣ I'm much more interested, the key is that he has nothing much in hearts and a maximum, 3N is unlikely to make.
#3
Posted 2016-February-15, 04:11
Cyber deserves ab upvote but I am on Android. Sorry
#4
Posted 2016-February-15, 07:21
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Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
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#5
Posted 2016-February-15, 07:31
1eyedjack, on 2016-February-15, 07:21, said:
If responder is minimum and you can't make 3♦, opps were very likely making 2♥ and might be able to get in the auction with a double or 2♥ bid if you pass.
#6
Posted 2016-February-15, 17:25
The hand's too strong to pass -- 17 HCP that are working and 4 losers. So, I think 2 ♠ reverse is right at this point.
After a 2 ♦ raise, 2 NT has to show the 15-17 balanced hand. The only minimum range hands you'd open 1 ♦ are unbalanced, so NT can't be a minimum. If you hold the 18-19 balanced, then 3 NT would be the appropriate rebid over 2 ♦. Pass over 2 ♦ certainly shows minimum unbalanced. I'm not so sure what a 3 ♦ rebid would be.
2 ♠ isn't really a try to play in ♠ because the initial 2 ♦ response should deny a 4 card major. It's showing a stopper and should also carry the message that ♦ are a real suit.
But over 2 ♠, the questions are "What are the positive bids?" and "What is the sign off?". That could vary pair to pair.
#7
#8
Posted 2016-February-16, 04:24
#11
Posted 2016-February-16, 06:11
zillahandp, on 2016-February-16, 04:24, said:
Most people show suits/stops rather than asking for them, 2♠ implies a lack of hearts which seems to be what you have.
#12
Posted 2016-February-16, 07:13
On another point, perhaps I am old fashioned but I don't think that 2D should 100% deny a four card major, particularly a heart suit. In some cases a raise might be better for tactical reasons rather than bid a poor suit. As Terence Reeses said "I see no point on bidding bad suits on bad hands when there is a sound alternative". However I agree that doesn't seem to be the BBO norm.
#14
Posted 2016-February-16, 07:45
zillahandp, on 2016-February-16, 07:22, said:
Saying that most people playing a method such as this use natural continuations does not seem to me to be controversial. It is almost certainly true that the majority of better players use inverted minors here. Indeed CY himself does. In the same vein, HSGTs and LSGTs are much more common after 1M - 2M than SSGTs or TWGTs. It is irrelevant which method is more effective, this is just the way of the world. Given that you are championing a non-natural approach, why don't you provide us with the evidence that this is more commonly played than natural? That seems like the right way round...
#15
Posted 2016-February-16, 08:26
zillahandp, on 2016-February-16, 07:22, said:
It's what's normally taught to beginners (certainly here and probably elsewhere too) and we're in the N/B forum.
PS- Zel's right, I play inverted minors with 2N/3♦ as preemptive raises, but I was tailoring replies to what I thought OP's raises were and the N/B forum.
#16
Posted 2016-February-16, 10:58
All I know for sure is that, with a fine 17 HCP hand with a nice distributional feature (i.e., the heart singleton), I have to bid SOMETHING. 2S looks good. I have something good in spades and it is the most economical (i.e., flexible) forcing bid among the reasonably sane choices available.
If partner bids 2NT next, I will trot out 3C, very accurately describing my hand.
If partner retreats to 3D, I will try again with 4C. This is not clear, but I suspect that, if partner could not bid 2NT to suggest heart values, 4D should be safe.
#20
Posted 2016-February-16, 17:12
This agreement is quite common playing inverted minors. I have definitely seen it used after a "normal" raise.
In this case, 2♠ is a perfectly reasonable bid.
Personally, I would bid 3♥ (a splinter raise in support of diamonds)
This accurately describes strength and will steer us clear of a bad 3NT if partner has weak hearts.