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The Snowflake-in-chief was complaining that prior to his becoming a politician he didn't realize how mean the media was, (and I paraphrase) that they asked him real questions.

An Associated Press reporter asked whom he believed, the US intelligence agencies asserting Putin interfered with the 2016 election or Putin’s own denials of it. He also asked whether Trump would “denounce” what happened in 2016 and “warn” Putin never to do it again.

Trump did no such thing, instead immediately launching into a conspiratorial rant about the investigation and Democrats. He began by questioning why the FBI “never took” the DNC’s “server,” another favorite talking point of right-wing media.

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The Department of Justice has arrested 29-year-old Maria Butina, a Russian national living in Washington, DC, on charges of "conspiracy to act as an agent of the Russian Federation within the United States without prior notification to the Attorney General.

Butina works alongside Alexander Torshin, and the two have close ties to the National Rifle Association. Torshin is referred to as the RUSSIAN OFFICIAL in FBI Special Agent Kevin Helson's affidavit submitted for the criminal complaint against Butina.

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Russia continues to say they had nothing to do with Meddling in our Election! Where is the DNC Server, and why didn’t Shady James Comey and the now disgraced FBI agents take and closely examine it? Why isn’t Hillary/Russia being looked at? So many questions, so much corruption!

6:25 AM - Jun 28, 2018

So does anyone actually believe that Trump "misspoke" on Monday when he said he couldn't imagine why Russia "would" have meddled in the election? Is this like the least believable attempt at spin-doctoring ever?

Yes, he misspoke. He meant to say, Ich bin ein Moscowvite!

PS: And it seems this morning that he is so loathe to self-examination he is now walking back his walk back, with Damage Dennison Syndrome and "haters" being the cause of the Helsinki uproar. Sad!

Maybe you do not much care about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.

Remind me - how do we use this to get whole?

1) Maria Butina, the Russian woman charged in federal court last week with acting as an unregistered agent of her government, received financial support from Konstantin Nikolaev, a Russian billionaire with investments in U.S. energy and technology companies, according to a person familiar with testimony she gave Senate investigators.

2)Nikolaev’s fortune has been built largely through port and railroad investments in Russia. He also sits on the board of American Ethane, a Houston ethane company that was showcased by President Trump at an event in China last year.

3)Nikolaev has never met Trump, according to his spokesman.

4)However, Nikolaev’s son Andrey, who is studying in the United States, volunteered in the 2016 campaign in support of Trump’s candidacy, according a person familiar with his activities. Nikolaev was spotted at the Trump International Hotel in Washington during Trump’s inauguration in January 2017, according to two people aware of his presence.

5) Konstantin Nikolaev is a major investor in American Ethane and sits on the company’s board.

6) The company was spotlighted by Trump during a visit to Beijing in November. During the trip, Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping presided over a ceremony in which U.S. companies publicly signed deals with Chinese partners. One of the 15 deals deal inked at the event was a $26 billion deal for American Ethane to deliver liquid ethane to China.

Despite winning the Republican nomination, Trump might not only be the first "independant" president since Washington (Tyler was booted from the Whig party during his presidency so that doesn't really count...) but the most isolated from the political class of all time. This iconoclastic presentation was part of his popular "drain the swamp" rhetoric. Is he really such a threat to the establishment or is he really the worst evah president?

Neither - he is the swamp.

Just despite the length and breadth of the investigation, it seems that the punishment for his "crimes" is mostly exposure and ridicule. Cruel and unusual comes to mind in terms of the extent of the continual speculation. It rivals JFK assassination research. Lots of tantalizing info and innuendo but hardly a smoking gun in sight.

Just despite the length and breadth of the investigation, it seems that the punishment for his "crimes" is mostly exposure and ridicule. Cruel and unusual comes to mind in terms of the extent of the continual speculation. It rivals JFK assassination research. Lots of tantalizing info and innuendo but hardly a smoking gun in sight.

Why would there be any formal punishment for Dennison, unless Congress decided that they wanted to impeach him which this Congress isn't going to do without Mueller's final report.

Dennison and his supporters have been having a year+ PR war on Mueller trying to discredit Mueller, his investigators, the evidence, anything that could lead to Dennison being impeached or indicted. They have successfully convinced almost all of the Republicans and much smaller percentages of others. I admit that they have done a lot with virtually nothing to go on except the Fox Propaganda network and alt-right news organizations.

So far, 32 individuals and 3 businesses have been indicted by Mueller, and 5 have already plead guilty. The only time the public knows what Mueller has found is when there are formal court documents filed which are publicly available. Otherwise, Mueller's team is remarkably free from leaks, so nobody outside that team really knows what they have on Dennison. There are a lot of people that were close to Dennison that have been indicted. You can put your own spin on that.

Nixon's impeachment process, as well as the attempt on Bill Clinton seemed to take less time but Trump may just be involved in more things or perhaps is less well-connected.