[Fluffy]

Pick up partner. opponents vulnerable and you get

Scoring: IMP

E - S - W - N
1♥-ps-1♠-ps
2♣-ps-2NT-ps
3♣-??

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[mikeh]

I very much doubt that the option of passing and doubling later will become available. Against even semi-competent opps, the most likely problem you will face after a pass is choosing a lead. Only if LHO is something like 4=2=5=2 or 5=2=4=2 will you get another chance, and even then, many wests would pass with a minimum and, say, xx Qx in the two suits.

Will they go down in 3♣? Yes... more likely than not.

Will my double help declarer in the play? Yes.... almost certainly the double will cost at least a trick

So I pass. I may be trading 200 for 200... down an extra trick undoubled.

I may be trading 200 for 500, of course. But once in a while I may be trading 100 or 200 for -710.

Try

AQxx     x
xx         KQxxx
Kxxx     Ax
Q93      A10874

Good luck beating 3♣... and west may send it back

Yes, this gives partner KJxxxxx xx Qxxx void: partner is a pickup partner so probably wouldn't bid 2♠ even at favourable.

[pbleighton]

Clear pass, IMO.

Peter

[pclayton]

mikeh, on Sep 15 2005, 01:25 PM, said:

                          AQxx                             x
                          xx                                    KQxxx
                          Kxxx                             Ax
                          Q93                                A10874

Good luck beating 3♣... and west may send it back  

Lets see, both hands are absolute maxs for this auction, and there is just about zero duplication.

At MPs, I think I'll crack it hoping for 200. Anything less than whats in Mike's 2 hands will cause 3♣ to fail on the bad breaks, and it could be a lot worse.

At IMPs, its tougher. I hate -670. Since they are red, they might stretch for some silly game, that I will then saw off.

[pigpenz]

if it goes down ill be happy to take a plus, a plus is a plus
Your partner maybe sitting over there with six ♠'s and the last thing you want him to do is bid.

[P_Marlowe]

pigpenz, on Sep 15 2005, 09:01 PM, said:

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Your partner maybe sitting over there with six ♠'s and the last thing you want him to do is bid.

He wont do that.

The double is for penalty.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

if you want to double them, you have to do it now,
i.e. your 3rd option is no option.

I voted for double, but having read the comments, I
think this decision is probably wrong, but a lot depends
on the quality of your opponents.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Jurek S]

Pick-up partner ? BBO expert ? Don't even think about dbl - he will bid ♠

[P_Marlowe]

Jurek S, on Sep 16 2005, 03:09 AM, said:

Pick-up partner ? BBO expert ? Don't even think about dbl - he will bid ♠

Really? No, he may be unsure about the meaning,
but he will never bid the opponents suit as natural.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Jurek S]

Take Mike construction and replace ♠Q by J.
Your partner's hand
♠ KQTxxxx
♥ xx
♦ Qxxx
♣ -

and he will bid 3♠ - anyway batter than 3♣ doubled arguing that he can't even imagin a bridge player not strong enough to bid 2♣ after 1♥ and doubling opps for penalty in a vul partial knowing at least 22-23 HP between them.
Would he be that wrong ?

[Fluffy]

your partner is not regular partner, not stupid, he knows what a penalty double is. Don't dream of him moving out when it makes

[Al_U_Card]

All of yours and pards cards are badly placed. You will lead a trump and collect what you get.

[adhoc3]

I dont worry about leading after immediately dbl, a ♠. since their bidding seems narmal, I suspected most of other guys sitting at the same seat would draw their red card. However, seems 50% would not:)) In imps games, maybe not dbl accepatble.

If your PD release opps by bidding anything after dbl, I would suggest you change pD.

[Fluffy]

The full hand was something like...

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There is a huge difference between passing and doubling since doubling brings 500/800, while if you pass like I did, West bids 3♥, and partner tries 3♠ that goes 300, sure he should bid 2♠ previous round, but he didn't want a missunderstanding... you see .

[cf_John0]

Fluffy, on Sep 15 2005, 04:06 PM, said:

Pick up partner. opponents vulnerable and you get

Scoring: IMP

E - S - W - N
1♥-ps-1♠-ps
2♣-ps-2NT-ps
3♣-??

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pass,otherwise I'd have bid aggressive 2C earlier! Excepting I'm not at the table.

[han]

I voted for double.

East has more or less declined a game try so must be quite minimal. West can't have anything extra or would have bid a vulnerable game herself. All cards arer badly placed and the suits are splitting very badly. Looks like a double to me!


Now I have read the other comments and I'm not so sure any more. I'm glad to see I'm not all alone in doubling though.

[the hog]

I would have passed an assumed the opponents were at least semi competent. I would have been wrong on both counts. Why West did not bid 2H over 2C is known only to himself.

[Elianna]

Fluffy, on Sep 18 2005, 04:38 AM, said:

The full hand was something like...

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There is a huge difference between passing and doubling since doubling brings 500/800, while if you pass like I did, West bids 3♥, and partner tries 3♠ that goes 300, sure he should bid 2♠ previous round, but he didn't want a missunderstanding... you see .

Very scarily for me, I find myself agreeing with the Hog, and wonder why W did not bid 2H. I also wonder why partner doesn't trust me to remember our agreements, and bid 2s the first time. Do I have a habit of forgetting agreements like that?