[Righ]

Greetings.

Pls help me to know how to communicate clearly with partner on this hand.

Opps silent.

Partner opens.

My hand: QT AQ9xxx AQJ9x ---

1C - 1H
2C - 3D
3NT - 4D
4H - ?

Thanks

[keylime]

My hand: QT AQ9xxx AQJ9x ---

1C - 1H
2C - 3D
3NT - 4D
4H - ?

Thanks


I'm going to draw picture here of opener's hand. They opened a club, then rebid it at 2C over the correct 1H response. So we know that pard has 5 clubs, minimum hand, and likely LESS than 4 diamonds.

3D here I don't like because it uses up a level of bidding. I'd bid a simple 2D, still forcing partner to bid, which I expect them to bid 2NT here to show outside stops. Then bid 3H, showing a great playing hand with longer hearts then diamonds. As it stands from the bidding I'm guessing your pard to be probably 3-2-3-5 or maybe 3-3-2-5 in terms of shape, with a 12-14 HCP hand.

Due to the fast 3NT bid, I'm guessing two diamonds, so probably 3-3-2-5. Since they are min, you need A LOT of help for any slam try, and there are bound to have wasted club honors in dummy opposite the void. I'm passing, let them lead the likely spade, and if pard's got the king of hearts, then fine - but I'm not playing pard for what I need to have for a slam try.

[flytoox]

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My hand: QT AQ9xxx AQJ9x ---

1C - 1H
2C - 3D
3NT - 4D
4H - ?

Thanks


I'm going to draw picture here of opener's hand. They opened a club, then rebid it at 2C over the correct 1H response. So we know that pard has 5 clubs, minimum hand, and likely LESS than 4 diamonds.

3D here I don't like because it uses up a level of bidding. I'd bid a simple 2D, still forcing partner to bid, which I expect them to bid 2NT here to show outside stops. Then bid 3H, showing a great playing hand with longer hearts then diamonds. As it stands from the bidding I'm guessing your pard to be probably 3-2-3-5 or maybe 3-3-2-5 in terms of shape, with a 12-14 HCP hand.

Due to the fast 3NT bid, I'm guessing two diamonds, so probably 3-3-2-5. Since they are min, you need A LOT of help for any slam try, and there are bound to have wasted club honors in dummy opposite the void. I'm passing, let them lead the likely spade, and if pard's got the king of hearts, then fine - but I'm not playing pard for what I need to have for a slam try.

I agree that you'd better to stop here, but i think pd is more likely to be 3-2-2-6 rather thand any 5332. If he is 5332, he would rebid 1NT.

[lenze]

Why does no one not use the simple approach anymore.

S- 1C
N- 2H
S -2NT or 3C
N- 3 D
S - Whatever
N- 4D
S - Figure it out!!!!

[flytoox]

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Why does no one not use the simple approach anymore.

S- 1C
N- 2H
S -2NT or 3C
N- 3 D
S - Whatever
N- 4D
S - Figure it out!!!!

this hand doest not qualify a strong jump shift, i think. 1c-2h, 2h shows either solid suit or h plus good c fit.

[lenze]

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Why does no one not use the simple approach anymore.

S- 1C
N- 2H
S -2NT or 3C
N- 3 D
S - Whatever
N- 4D
S - Figure it out!!!!

this hand doest not qualify a strong jump shift, i think. 1c-2h, 2h shows either solid suit or h plus good c fit.

You may be correct, techically, but I believe one has to be flexible. If you limit your Strong JS to a solid suit, you will almost never make one.

I believe that a strong JS should simply imply slam interest and an idea of where the hand is going. It basically says, partner, describe your hand, play ball with me, and stay out of my auction!!

I've been playing this way for over 35 years, and I refuse to change. I could, however, be wrong.

[EricK]

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Why does no one not use the simple approach anymore.

S- 1C
N- 2H
S -2NT or 3C
N- 3 D
S - Whatever
N- 4D
S - Figure it out!!!!

this hand doest not qualify a strong jump shift, i think. 1c-2h, 2h shows either solid suit or h plus good c fit.

There has been a big change in Strong jump shifts (in UK at any rate).

In traditional Acol, a SJS was made on almost any hand with 16+ points and a fair number of hands with fewer points. This could lead to problems if e.g. you had a 1-3-4-5 hand opposite a 1S opening.

Modern Acol players restrict the SJS to single suiters, hands with a strong suit with support for opener, and Strong balanced hands with a five card suit. These players will not jump with a two suiter.

But maybe these players have gone too far. It is reasonable to play a middle-ground approach, and also jump on two-suiters if there is an excellent chance of being able to describe your hand. Such hands will generally have two consecutive suits above the suit opened (S&H over 1C/D, or H&D over 1C), so you can bid them both and not get above the 3 level.

Eric

[luke warm]

1c : 1h
2c : 2d - the 2c bid should show 6, not 5
2nt : 3h
4h - if pard had bid 3h instead of 2nt i'd play her for 3, but now for 2 hearts

pard should be 3226, maybe even 2227 but i doubt that cuz of the 2nt bid.. i'd play her for a spade honor but most hcp in clubs, 4h looks fine

[Free]

Pass, partner has a S stop, but did never bid maximum hand. You have probably not much entries in dummy, and you miss 2 Kings and some jacks in your suits. Too much can go wrong, and imo a 2H bid in first instance is better. It shows more information in 1 bid, and you have a rebid after 3C...

Free

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Righ, on Dec 21 2003, 09:18 PM, said:

Greetings.

Pls help me to know how to communicate clearly with partner on this hand.

Opps silent.

Partner opens.

My hand: QT AQ9xxx AQJ9x ---

1C - 1H
2C - 3D
3NT - 4D
4H - ?

Thanks

I like your auction so far. Even playing strong jump shifts, which I ususally don't, this hand doesn't qualify because I use the one suiter or two-suiter with fit rule... so 1H is right.

Next question is rather to bid 2D (nmf) or 3D. I happen to like the 3D bid here, as it shows at least 5-5 and a forcing hand. Partner with 3H would give raise to 3H here instead of 3NT I think, so you can forget about him being 3-3-2-5 as suggested. in fact, he is much more likely to have six clubs for the first club rebid than to have five over a 1H response. And on this auction, he rates to be either 3-2-1-7 or 3-2-2-6. You have bid your hand very strongly, and your partner has applied the brakes everytime. Add to that your misfit in clubs and likely 6-2 heart fit. I think I would join the many posters who passed here as well.

Ben

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Free, on Dec 23 2003, 03:05 PM, said:

Pass, partner has a S stop, but did never bid maximum hand. You have probably not much entries in dummy, and you miss 2 Kings and some jacks in your suits. Too much can go wrong, and imo a 2H bid in first instance is better. It shows more information in 1 bid, and you have a rebid after 3C...

Free

I agree, playing pd for a perfect hand is not my style. And by bidding 's twice you are warned that pd probably doesn't have the cards you need.

Mike