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No Standout Choice 4414 over 1H

#1 User is offline   kfay 

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Posted 2007-September-17, 12:13

Scoring: IMP

P-1-?


What's your call?
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Posted 2007-September-17, 13:32

seems a fairly standout pass to me.
You are the wrong shape and the wrong strength to bid 1NT.
I see little merit in a 1S call.
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Posted 2007-September-17, 13:42

1S

You either agree to overcall one spade or bid something with these hands(14+hcp, 4 spades) or not. My partners tell me to get in their and mix it up, in and out fast and at low levels.
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Posted 2007-September-17, 13:53

I'll pass the bucket around to my LHO.

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Posted 2007-September-17, 14:18

Hi,

I pass.

If you cant stand it, which would be fair enough,
than you have to choose between 1S and 1NT.

I slightly prefer 1S, but the suit is too weak, add
the ten, and I would most likely do it.

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Posted 2007-September-17, 15:25

I pass, the hand is too strong for a 1S overcall.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-September-17, 15:27

1 or 1NT, depending upon style.
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Posted 2007-September-17, 15:39

I don't have any problems with 1NT btw, I don't agree with Frances that you have the wrong strength. Q10xx of hearts behind opener is pretty good, and the concentration of black suits is also nice. I'd consider this a normal 15-count.

Of course, I do agree with her that this is not a balanced hand, but I prefer 1NT over 1S.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-September-17, 18:43

15 HCP and a likely double stop but the opps may lead vs NT.

I have a slight preference for 1NT rather than 1 since I'd prefer (not manditory for me) a slightly better suit for 1.

Passing this honestly doesn't cross my mind as I have two possible bids, albeit both are slightly (IMHO) flawed, but either is better, FMI, than trying to compete later.

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Posted 2007-September-17, 20:29

Pass, but this is very close. Give me the J of S and I overcall 1S for sure. I considered 1NT, but there is no real source of tricks, apart from C, in the hand. Also the fact that partner is a passed hand mitigates against 1NT.
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Posted 2007-September-17, 21:11

Ron,

Surely "militates" rather than "mitigates" - shame on you!!

This is actually a pretty good hand for 1NT as the H values are slow, but I would like another T (S and/or C), so I think it is very close a s a judgement call between Pass which I favour, and 1NT.

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Posted 2007-September-18, 11:20

I'd like the T to overcall 1 here.
So the alternatives are pass and 1NT. It's close, but I'll go with the passers.
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Posted 2007-September-18, 17:30

1NT with a pickup p, I think this hand is a tad weak in at least one regular partnership, though, in which case would pass. 1 does not appeal.
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Posted 2007-September-18, 18:48

1 or pass. 1N feels wrong.
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Posted 2007-September-18, 20:21

Personally I dislike 1NT but only just a little, and I dislike 1 a fair amount, though these are essentially style issues. However, though I can see why someone would choose either bid, I think in a B/I setting it is clearly correct to recommend a pass. This hand does not meet the requirements for either bidding alternative in terms of what should be taught to new players. Anyone choosing either option would be 'breaking a rule', whether rightly or wrongly. It is a valuable lesson that it is ok to pass on hands that are good enough to bid but have no appropriate action to take.
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Posted 2007-September-18, 20:22

jdonn, on Sep 18 2007, 09:21 PM, said:

Personally I dislike 1NT but only just a little, and I dislike 1 a fair amount,

Heh I dislike 1S just a little and 1N a fair amount
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