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No I don't think Josh would bid 2♣ followed by 2N with this hand.
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Posted 2008-August-19, 13:11
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Posted 2008-August-19, 13:16
cherdano, on Aug 19 2008, 02:11 PM, said:
No I don't think Josh would bid 2♣ followed by 2N with this hand.
It's probably a bad example. Most of my examples are bad.
A better thing for me to have said would have been "I think that there are a lot of 4-5 hands that have to be bid by going 2♣ followed by 2NT, and with this 3-5 hand the best I can do is lie a bit about my diamond length. The other choice is to lie about shape and strength with a 1NT bid, and while that might be the better thing to do, I'm not at all convinced".
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Posted 2008-August-19, 14:03
When did I say it shows 4-6? I said that is one example. It does show a 4 card side suit, which you don't have.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-August-19, 14:26
jdonn, on Aug 19 2008, 03:03 PM, said:
When did I say it shows 4-6? I said that is one example. It does show a 4 card side suit, which you don't have.
Just give up
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Posted 2008-August-19, 15:32
jdonn, on Aug 19 2008, 03:03 PM, said:
When did I say it shows 4-6? I said that is one example. It does show a 4 card side suit, which you don't have.
I misunderstood, sorry.
I agree it shows a 4 card side suit. I don't think any auction does this hand justice- 1NT followed by pass doesn't show the potential for this hand in 5 of a minor, and 2♣ followed by 2NT shows a longer diamond suit than I have. What can you do?
I'll shut up for now. Hopefully Edmunte will come by to tell us his rebid.
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Posted 2008-August-19, 15:41
I'm bidding 1NT the first time. Clear, IMO.
On the second round, I'm not really confident with this, but I think 2NT is the likely winner. 2NT as takeout for the minors.
Partner could, in theory have 1633, but then I think he'd probably stretch to bid over 2♠ a lot of the time and will bid 3♣ when he does not, and I can live with that.
More likely, partner has a four-card minor. If he has 1444 shape, or if he has 1543, we may end up in an inferior contract, but I think I can handle that reasonably well. I'm more interested in catching 5-6 diamonds over there and junk. Some kind of 1552 or 1462, perhaps.
I would not take any bait to argue for my position, as I feel really shaky with it. If anyone calls it absurd, I won't even defend it. My gut just tells me 2NT will work.
2NT after 2♣ shows 6-4. With 5-3, maybe that's practical, for the same reasons.
On the second round, I'm not really confident with this, but I think 2NT is the likely winner. 2NT as takeout for the minors.
Partner could, in theory have 1633, but then I think he'd probably stretch to bid over 2♠ a lot of the time and will bid 3♣ when he does not, and I can live with that.
More likely, partner has a four-card minor. If he has 1444 shape, or if he has 1543, we may end up in an inferior contract, but I think I can handle that reasonably well. I'm more interested in catching 5-6 diamonds over there and junk. Some kind of 1552 or 1462, perhaps.
I would not take any bait to argue for my position, as I feel really shaky with it. If anyone calls it absurd, I won't even defend it. My gut just tells me 2NT will work.
2NT after 2♣ shows 6-4. With 5-3, maybe that's practical, for the same reasons.
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Posted 2008-August-19, 16:03
Ken, why are you placing partner with a stiff spade. Your RHO was third seat.
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Posted 2008-August-19, 16:21
Jlall, on Aug 19 2008, 05:03 PM, said:
Ken, why are you placing partner with a stiff spade. Your RHO was third seat.
I'm giving the opponents a 4-4 fit. LOL
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Posted 2008-August-22, 02:23
kenrexford, on Aug 19 2008, 04:41 PM, said:
My gut just tells me 2NT will work.
Indeed it does work and you would gain a part score swing. Well you would have done, had your other pair not let through a no play 5C in the other room
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