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Negative double could be a hand with no convenient rebid (ie 4-3-3-3 or 4-3-4-2 with one major and good points), a weak hand with a long major, or both majors.
What call do you think is right?
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Posted 2008-August-19, 21:56
Negative double could be a hand with no convenient rebid (ie 4-3-3-3 or 4-3-4-2 with one major and good points), a weak hand with a long major, or both majors.
What call do you think is right?
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Posted 2008-August-20, 04:00
2nt.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Posted 2008-August-20, 07:17
I've played in 3-3 fits in situations like this, but I still think 2♥ is your bid.
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Posted 2008-August-20, 08:12
oh well, I see zero good options. The good news for me is when I pass this dble and they make at least it is not game.
Not fond of showing my 3 card major in this position because partner never gets it.
Not fond of showing my 3 card major in this position because partner never gets it.
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Posted 2008-August-20, 08:15
2♥. Good hand for playing that 1♦ is always unbalanced.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-August-20, 09:29
I used to bid 2NT, but I got sick of everyone I know who is good telling me how much it means I suck. So 2♥ it is!
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Posted 2008-August-20, 09:33
Certainly partner and I already knew what I would do on this expectable auction. So I do that agreed bid/pass. Assuming 13 bal scattered honors is outside 1NT opener, what did your partnership decide to do here? I fear 2H finds H3-4 misses S3-5. Clubs on my left, maybe C-stop. I try 2NT hoping partner can/will show 5cM/even good 4cM fearing 3NT.
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Posted 2008-August-20, 10:00
dake50, on Aug 20 2008, 10:33 AM, said:
Certainly partner and I already knew what I would do on this expectable auction. So I do that agreed bid/pass. Assuming 13 bal scattered honors is outside 1NT opener, what did your partnership decide to do here? I fear 2H finds H3-4 misses S3-5. Clubs on my left, maybe C-stop. I try 2NT hoping partner can/will show 5cM/even good 4cM fearing 3NT.
So over 2NT by you, partner will bid a four card major, fearing you don't have a 2NT bid? I stand corrected in everything I've ever thought!
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Posted 2008-August-20, 10:38
2♥ seems the best here...even though it looks somewhat ugly.
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Posted 2008-August-20, 16:37
I'm surprised there are more votes for 2♥ than 2♦. Isn't that the bid that's a catch-all for hands that don't have any other convenient bid ? Either partner has tolerance for Diamonds or a longer major which he can bid at the 2-level. The only time 2♦ creates a problem worse than other bids is when partner has 4-4-2-3 or 4-4-1-4 with really poor clubs.
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Posted 2008-August-20, 17:44
2♥ but I'd pass at MPs.
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Posted 2008-August-20, 17:46
sathyab, on Aug 20 2008, 05:37 PM, said:
The only time 2♦ creates a problem worse than other bids is when partner has 4-4-2-3 or 4-4-1-4 with really poor clubs.
Why does he need poor clubs, he could just be not good enough to bid on. And isn't this a HUGE problem?
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Posted 2008-August-20, 17:47
jdonn, on Aug 20 2008, 06:46 PM, said:
sathyab, on Aug 20 2008, 05:37 PM, said:
The only time 2♦ creates a problem worse than other bids is when partner has 4-4-2-3 or 4-4-1-4 with really poor clubs.
Why does he need poor clubs, he could just be not good enough to bid on. And isn't this a HUGE problem?
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Also you are dreaming if you think partner is bidding 2M over 2D with (54)22.
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Posted 2008-August-20, 18:17
sathyab, on Aug 20 2008, 05:37 PM, said:
I'm surprised there are more votes for 2♥ than 2♦. Isn't that the bid that's a catch-all for hands that don't have any other convenient bid ? Either partner has tolerance for Diamonds or a longer major which he can bid at the 2-level. The only time 2♦ creates a problem worse than other bids is when partner has 4-4-2-3 or 4-4-1-4 with really poor clubs.
2♦ isn't a catch-all for me; it's a natural bid showing long diamonds. I'm a 2♥ bidder here.
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Posted 2008-August-20, 20:12
dake50, on Aug 20 2008, 08:33 AM, said:
Certainly partner and I already knew what I would do on this expectable auction. So I do that agreed bid/pass. Assuming 13 bal scattered honors is outside 1NT opener, what did your partnership decide to do here? I fear 2H finds H3-4 misses S3-5. Clubs on my left, maybe C-stop. I try 2NT hoping partner can/will show 5cM/even good 4cM fearing 3NT.
Actually, the situation never came up. I had this hand and it went 1♦-(2♣)-All pass.
Partner's other option was a negative double, over which I would have had this problem. I would have bid 2♥, I think, but I wanted the opinions of other who had been in this situation before (since I'm sure it's not rare).
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Posted 2008-August-20, 20:15
Jlall, on Aug 20 2008, 06:47 PM, said:
jdonn, on Aug 20 2008, 06:46 PM, said:
sathyab, on Aug 20 2008, 05:37 PM, said:
The only time 2♦ creates a problem worse than other bids is when partner has 4-4-2-3 or 4-4-1-4 with really poor clubs.
Why does he need poor clubs, he could just be not good enough to bid on. And isn't this a HUGE problem?
This.
Also you are dreaming if you think partner is bidding 2M over 2D with (54)22.
2nt over 2♦ would be NF, so with decent clubs he might do that or might have passed originally intending to pass partner's double with length in clubs. 2M over 2♦ is also NF, so I don't understand the problem in doing that if you recognize that partner might have had to bid that over your double.
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Posted 2008-August-21, 02:11
The main argument for 2nt is, that it very often gets you to the right game. That is, at least if you do not play anything fancy.
If the system-constructor is alive to the danger of these troublesome hands, and have made a device that checks if 2♥ was a three-card suit, the bid gains a lot. At least in my opinion.
If the system-constructor is alive to the danger of these troublesome hands, and have made a device that checks if 2♥ was a three-card suit, the bid gains a lot. At least in my opinion.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Or the ninth trumph.
Best Regards Ole Berg
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
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Posted 2008-August-21, 10:23
2♥ for me, the least of evils.
If partner's got game values and 4-card hearts he don't HAVE to jump to 4♥, we can still play 3NT when that's the best strain.
If partner's got game values and 4-card hearts he don't HAVE to jump to 4♥, we can still play 3NT when that's the best strain.
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Posted 2008-August-21, 10:33
jdonn, on Aug 20 2008, 04:29 PM, said:
I used to bid 2NT, but I got sick of everyone I know who is good telling me how much it means I suck. So 2♥ it is!
Nope, I still bid 2NT on these hands.
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