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1. Maybe it's more obvious than I thought, but how would you handle such a hand?
♠AQJ9x
♥xx
♦KQJ9x
♣x
Both Vul, IMPs
1♠ - (2♥) - P - (3♥)
?
2. What if we changed it to:
♠AKJ9x
♥xx
♦AKJx
♣xx
Same conditions and auction.
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Posted 2008-August-21, 16:13
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Posted 2008-August-21, 16:17
I would pass in either case.
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Posted 2008-August-21, 16:27
An insufficient Michaels 3♥?
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Posted 2008-August-21, 16:28
Rather than let this thread die of passers, I should have asked:
3. If you pass, what more would you need to act (same shape) and what would your call be?
3. If you pass, what more would you need to act (same shape) and what would your call be?
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Posted 2008-August-21, 16:29
If I had like, the king of spades or ace of cubs I would bid 4D on hand 1. If I had like..the CK I would double on hand 2.
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Posted 2008-August-22, 02:05
1) I double.
2) Pass. Need one more diamond to double.
2) Pass. Need one more diamond to double.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Posted 2008-August-22, 02:11
Pass both times. I would want to be 6-5 and/or have a 4- loser hand.
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Posted 2008-August-22, 10:14
I'm passing both.
On the first I'd rebid 4♦ if you added the ♠K or an ace, or if i had 6-5 and the same honours.
On the second I'd double if you gave me a top club honour instead of one small heart, maybe even with the ♣K instead of a small one.
On the first I'd rebid 4♦ if you added the ♠K or an ace, or if i had 6-5 and the same honours.
On the second I'd double if you gave me a top club honour instead of one small heart, maybe even with the ♣K instead of a small one.
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Posted 2008-August-22, 10:28
Ok, so let's try to run the gambit. Which hands are you bidding 4♦ with?
(a) AQJTx xx AQJTx x
(b ) AKJxx xx AKTxx x
(c ) AKQxx xx AKxxx x
(d) AQJxxx x KQT9x x
(e) KQJxxx x KQJxx x
(f) AKxxxx x AKxxx x
Which hands are you doubling (or making some call other than pass) with?
(g) AKJxx xx AKQx xx
(h) AKQxx xx AKQx xx
(i) AKJxx xx AKJx Kx
(j) AQxxx x AQxx KJx
(k) KJxxx x AQTx KQx
(l) KQJTx xxx AKQx A
(a) AQJTx xx AQJTx x
(b ) AKJxx xx AKTxx x
(c ) AKQxx xx AKxxx x
(d) AQJxxx x KQT9x x
(e) KQJxxx x KQJxx x
(f) AKxxxx x AKxxx x
Which hands are you doubling (or making some call other than pass) with?
(g) AKJxx xx AKQx xx
(h) AKQxx xx AKQx xx
(i) AKJxx xx AKJx Kx
(j) AQxxx x AQxx KJx
(k) KJxxx x AQTx KQx
(l) KQJTx xxx AKQx A
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Posted 2008-August-22, 11:25
Echognome, on Aug 21 2008, 05:13 PM, said:
1. Maybe it's more obvious than I thought, but how would you handle such a hand?
Both Vul, IMPs ♠AQJ9x ♥xx ♦KQJ9x ♣x
1♠ - (2♥) - P - (3♥)
?
2. What if we changed it to:
♠AKJ9x ♥xx ♦AKJx ♣xx
Same conditions and auction.
Both Vul, IMPs ♠AQJ9x ♥xx ♦KQJ9x ♣x
1♠ - (2♥) - P - (3♥)
?
2. What if we changed it to:
♠AKJ9x ♥xx ♦AKJx ♣xx
Same conditions and auction.
The timidity of youth or the temerity of age?
- 4♦ = 10, _X = 9, _P = 8
- _X = 10, _P = 9, 4♦ = 4
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Posted 2008-August-22, 13:24
Echognome, on Aug 22 2008, 06:28 PM, said:
Ok, so let's try to run the gambit. Which hands are you bidding 4♦ with?
(a) AQJTx xx AQJTx x
(b ) AKJxx xx AKTxx x
(c ) AKQxx xx AKxxx x
(d) AQJxxx x KQT9x x
(e) KQJxxx x KQJxx x
(f) AKxxxx x AKxxx x
Which hands are you doubling (or making some call other than pass) with?
(g) AKJxx xx AKQx xx
(h) AKQxx xx AKQx xx
(i) AKJxx xx AKJx Kx
(j) AQxxx x AQxx KJx
(k) KJxxx x AQTx KQx
(l) KQJTx xxx AKQx A
(a) AQJTx xx AQJTx x
(b ) AKJxx xx AKTxx x
(c ) AKQxx xx AKxxx x
(d) AQJxxx x KQT9x x
(e) KQJxxx x KQJxx x
(f) AKxxxx x AKxxx x
Which hands are you doubling (or making some call other than pass) with?
(g) AKJxx xx AKQx xx
(h) AKQxx xx AKQx xx
(i) AKJxx xx AKJx Kx
(j) AQxxx x AQxx KJx
(k) KJxxx x AQTx KQx
(l) KQJTx xxx AKQx A
I'm passing (a) and (b ) and bidding 4♦ with (c ), (d), (e) and (f).
I'm passing with (g), (i) (j) (k) and (l) and doubling with (h). Only (g) is a clearcut pass IMO, the others are close.
Kind regards,
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Posted 2008-August-22, 13:32
skaeran, on Aug 22 2008, 01:24 PM, said:
Echognome, on Aug 22 2008, 06:28 PM, said:
Ok, so let's try to run the gambit. Which hands are you bidding 4♦ with?
(a) AQJTx xx AQJTx x
(b ) AKJxx xx AKTxx x
(c ) AKQxx xx AKxxx x
(d) AQJxxx x KQT9x x
(e) KQJxxx x KQJxx x
(f) AKxxxx x AKxxx x
Which hands are you doubling (or making some call other than pass) with?
(g) AKJxx xx AKQx xx
(h) AKQxx xx AKQx xx
(i) AKJxx xx AKJx Kx
(j) AQxxx x AQxx KJx
(k) KJxxx x AQTx KQx
(l) KQJTx xxx AKQx A
(a) AQJTx xx AQJTx x
(b ) AKJxx xx AKTxx x
(c ) AKQxx xx AKxxx x
(d) AQJxxx x KQT9x x
(e) KQJxxx x KQJxx x
(f) AKxxxx x AKxxx x
Which hands are you doubling (or making some call other than pass) with?
(g) AKJxx xx AKQx xx
(h) AKQxx xx AKQx xx
(i) AKJxx xx AKJx Kx
(j) AQxxx x AQxx KJx
(k) KJxxx x AQTx KQx
(l) KQJTx xxx AKQx A
I'm passing (a) and (b ) and bidding 4♦ with (c ), (d), (e) and (f).
I'm passing with (g), (i) (j) (k) and (l) and doubling with (h). Only (g) is a clearcut pass IMO, the others are close.
In the second list, I would double with both hands that have a singleton heart. Otherwise I think I agree.
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Posted 2008-August-22, 14:51
Conservative guys.
I'm bidding on all of them, except I might be talked into a pass with g. If we get too high, for sure it won't be either the first or the last time.
I'm bidding on all of them, except I might be talked into a pass with g. If we get too high, for sure it won't be either the first or the last time.
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Posted 2008-August-22, 17:52
With the 6-5 hands, aren't any of these 3 spade calls?
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Posted 2008-August-23, 10:47
MFA, on Aug 22 2008, 10:51 PM, said:
Conservative guys.
I'm bidding on all of them, except I might be talked into a pass with g. If we get too high, for sure it won't be either the first or the last time.
I'm bidding on all of them, except I might be talked into a pass with g. If we get too high, for sure it won't be either the first or the last time.
Again you agree with me. (Well almost, nobody will talk me into a pass.)
Edit: Actually on e) and maybe d), I would bid 4♠
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Or the ninth trumph.
Best Regards Ole Berg
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
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