[Ant590]

Hi,

I wasn't really sure which topic group this should go, so in general it is.

My basic question is
a) What type of game tries do people play in the sequence 1M - 2M?
What responses do these have

I understand that, for most people, 1M - 2M is constructive as it shall be within a 2/1 context. I do not play 2/1 in any regular partnership, indeed the partnership in question has a basic 5533wkNT basis, so 1M - 2M is really wide ranging.

Do many people play a relay-based approach here as a previous thread in the forum on 1m - 1M - 2M suggested?

Previously we have had the blanket rule that if partner makes the game try then a slam try afterwards, the suit for which the game try was made is now a cuebid. This seems not to work in the context of Nagy/Kokish, or am I missing something?

Cheers in advance.

[P_Marlowe]

#a short suit, long suit, help suit
short or long suit can be combined, see e.g. romex
game tries, for whats it worth I prefer long suit,
value showing game tries

#b ...

#c playing contructive raises or standard raises, has no
influence on the range of the raise.
A standard raise would be something like 6-9, a
constructive raise something like (+7)-(-)10. i.e. the
range is a little bit smaller, but not much.

#d if you play long suit / value showing game tries or short
suit game tries, there is no real difference regarding the
holding in the suit the game try occurred, if the game try
becomes a cue.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Ant590]

P_Marlowe, on Sep 15 2008, 06:28 AM, said:

#a short suit, long suit, help suit
short or long suit can be combined, see e.g. romex
game tries, for whats it worth I prefer long suit,
value showing game tries

#b ...

#c playing contructive raises or standard raises, has no
influence on the range of the raise.
A standard raise would be something like 6-9, a
constructive raise something like (+7)-(-)10. i.e. the
range is a little bit smaller, but not much.

#d if you play long suit / value showing game tries or short
suit game tries, there is no real difference regarding the
holding in the suit the game try occurred, if the game try
becomes a cue.

With kind regards
Marlowe

Thanks for you quick response!

I thought it was common to want to keep the bidding alive on, say a 5 count. If one holds three card support for opener doesn't this mean that 1M-2M is really 5-10?

My other worry is with an auction like 1M - 2M - 3C* - 4M, where 3C was say a short trial bid. Now opener knows that responder does not have wastage in clubs, but if 3C was intended as the start of a slam try then this knowledge is not as useful, and we're already at 4M before both sides of the table know opener has a slam try.

[P_Marlowe]

Ant590, on Sep 15 2008, 06:40 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Sep 15 2008, 06:28 AM, said:

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Thanks for you quick response!

I thought it was common to want to keep the bidding alive on, say a 5 count. If one holds three card support for opener doesn't this mean that 1M-2M is really 5-10?

My other worry is with an auction like 1M - 2M - 3C* - 4M, where 3C was say a short trial bid. Now opener knows that responder does not have wastage in clubs, but if 3C was intended as the start of a slam try then this knowledge is not as useful, and we're already at 4M before both sides of the table know opener has a slam try.

#1 responding on a 5 count:
Do you have distributional compensation for the missing HCP?
If yes, than it is 6-9, not 5-9.
I think with a 5 count and a 4333 shape you should pass,
unless you have 4 card support for partner, and than most
would consider the 4th trump as distributional compensation.

I would also say, that a limit raise showes 10-12, not 11-12,
distribution included.

#2 After

1M - 2M
3C - ???

You have three options to accept the game

1) 4M
2) 3?? (not 3M), intending to bid 4M over 3M.
3) 4C
...
4) 3NT

Those options allow responder to differentiate.

4M would be the weakes acceptance, 3? be the
middle, 4C the strongest move, 3NT would suggest
3 NT as a possible contract.

You should be careful to choose themiddle strongest
move, because it may help the opponents most.

With kind regards
Marlowe