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#1 User is offline   shyams 

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Posted 2010-January-15, 20:13

Scoring: XIMP

East deals and opens 2♥, alerted
Explained as 5-card ♥ with 4+ card minor; 7-10 HCP.

Your choice of action, if any?

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Posted 2010-January-15, 20:17

shyams, on Jan 15 2010, 09:13 PM, said:

Scoring: XIMP

East deals and opens 2♥, alerted
Explained as 5-card ♥ with 4+ card minor; 7-10 HCP.

Your choice of action, if any?

IMO it is best to start with a pass and let partner balance if he has values.
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Posted 2010-January-15, 20:32

This hand sucks for offense, but is great for defense. Pass, without qualms.
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Posted 2010-January-15, 20:47

Why is this a fix? Seems like I can P now and be happy to defend if pard chooses to pass it out. The more interesting question is what to do if pard backs in with a X...
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Posted 2010-January-15, 20:53

Pass feels like the same thing I'd do over any other 1- or 2-bid showing hearts. I don't see the fix aspect of it either. I guess that at other tables the opps may not have opened.
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Posted 2010-January-16, 00:06

Pass because there is simply nothing else reasonable you can do.
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Posted 2010-January-16, 00:55

Hi,

Pass.

What would you have over a weak two? Pass.

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Posted 2010-January-16, 01:16

shyams, on Jan 15 2010, 09:13 PM, said:

Scoring: XIMP

East deals and opens 2♥, alerted
Explained as 5-card ♥ with 4+ card minor; 7-10 HCP.

Your choice of action, if any?

Pass easy....wtp?
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Posted 2010-January-16, 02:29

Hopes partner passes too, so I can flash my superior leading-skills. (Not leading from AKQ).
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Posted 2010-January-16, 06:42

Played this in the club last night, and the full hand was:
Scoring: XIMP

At my table, East opened 2♥ and it went all pass.

We can defeat the contract by 3 (or perhaps 4). But that was insufficient compensation for 11 tricks in 3NT (bid on 7 of 15 tables) or 12 tricks in diamond (3 tables bid game, no one was in slam). At most tables, the East hand passed...
Looking at the North hand in isolation, would you act in the 4th seat? Partner said he may have doubled with a 4th spade, but with the actual holding he did not seriously consider bidding.
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Posted 2010-January-16, 07:26

Double in 4th seat for me: short ♥s and I'm in balancing seat so partner won't be expecting too much and overbid.
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Posted 2010-January-16, 08:44

With North's holding I wouldn't consider passing, whether seriously or not.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-January-16, 09:01

Agree with Gnasher that pass isn't an option. (X is a wtp.)

It is simple to construct a Lebensohl-variation that distinguishes between 4 and 5+ spades from partner.

But even without it, X is stand-out.
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Posted 2010-January-16, 09:06

Passing first is totally normal, passing as N is a dismal option. I just do not understand why so many players seem to have this fog that dble here shows 4S, it doesn't, never has and never should. Would this be the same dismal excuse the player would use if they also held the K of C in pass out seat? I would dble 1H with the N had if I was in second seat and 2H as well.

Failing to dble simply means you really enjoy the opps stealing the hand from your side.
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Posted 2010-January-16, 09:56

No fix here. If they open 2♥ you have the exact same problem.

North passing 2♥ was a clear error, but if they don't see it... it might be tough to do anything about it. I would suspect that north is one of the (large % of bridge players) many who will simply go omg I had a meh hand and only 3 spades and consider (forever) anything but pass to be ludicrous.
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Posted 2010-January-16, 11:02

hijack...

swap the NS hands.
do you double direct seat?
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Posted 2010-January-16, 12:24

You were fixed by north passing on one of the easier doubles in bridge history. Not by the opening bid. You don't have an easy action over that but anything you do will work out better than what happened.
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Posted 2010-January-16, 13:10

I pass with your hand.
Pass from N is ridiculous at any form of scoring.
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Posted 2010-January-16, 13:36

A agree that you should pass and partner should double.

If your partner is a non-expert, probably you just need to suggest to them that in the balancing seat it's a good idea to act with a king less than they would need in the direct seat, and he will do that in future.

It is a harder problem with the N/S hands switched and you could pass out in 2♥ in that case without anyone doing anything terribly wrong. Though 3NT would be a poor contract then, 5♦ or 2♥X would still be better than 2♥ undoubled.
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Posted 2010-January-16, 14:17

Pass. If partner cannot balance, I would rather defend. And I would save this hand just in case partner ever accuses me of being too aggressive!
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