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#1 User is offline   kfay 

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Posted 2010-January-17, 20:15

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You open 1 as South, West doubles.

Partner bids 2, which shows 4 to a bad 7 points.

You play 4-way gametries here. 2 would show an undisclosed short suit, 2NT shows spades. You also play this way if partner had shown constructive values with 2. What do you think about this?

Right or wrong you decide to invite and partner, right or wrong, accepts.

West leads the A and another heart, over to you.
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Posted 2010-January-17, 20:23

I win in hand and play A and another. I'm playing West for the K.

View Postwyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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Besides playing for fun, most people also like to play bridge to win


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Posted 2010-January-17, 20:34

Hanoi5, on Jan 17 2010, 09:23 PM, said:

I win in hand and play A and another. I'm playing West for the K.

Probably some people will say this.

You will go down. I think that thinking about the continuation after this start before you make it will show you that's probably likely.
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Posted 2010-January-17, 21:21

K and only one minor honour in E hand is reasonable chance.
For example if West has :

AQxx
Ax
xxx
Qxxx

We can win in dummy, finesse spades win any return. Play K. Win any return. Ruff spade. Finesse . Go back to hand with or . Draw trumps.
We score 2 (ruff and T), 4, 2, 2 = 10.

We can even win if W has :

Axxx
Ax
xxx
QJxx

This time we need to finesse first. Then play to 8 (or overtake honor).
E will be able to play 3rd but we will score 2 natural tricks. This line is superior because it wins with 1st layout too.

So overall :
I win in dummy, finesse , then I play spade and overtake in hand planning to play spades on every opportunity.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 03:21

kfay, on Jan 18 2010, 03:34 AM, said:

Hanoi5, on Jan 17 2010, 09:23 PM, said:

I win in hand and play A and another. I'm playing West for the K.

Probably some people will say this.

You will go down. I think that thinking about the continuation after this start before you make it will show you that's probably likely.

OK, I've thought about it, and I can't see why going down is more likely than with any other possible line. If RHO has something like AJxx Ax Kxxx Jxx, he has to duck the diamond, and now I play spades. This is basically Bluecalm's line, except that I'm playing for K to be offside rather than onside.

What have I missed?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-January-18, 04:31

LHO can go up and return a diamond. When RHO ruffs the diamond you still have to lose 2 spade tricks.

This line will win though when LHO has Kxx of diamonds, whether he ducks or not. 4234 distribution is quite likely on the auction. In fact, I think that this, plus the chance of a misdefense is likely enough to follow this line. The lead of the heart ace suggests a good hand on your left.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 04:33

Of course. So I should lead a low diamond from hand without first cashing the ace.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-January-18, 04:35

That's good, I'm with you.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 05:45

Yeah, I think low from Ax is better than the line I gave. I missed it.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 08:36

OK so you clear the first hurdle and lead a low diamond away from Ax.

LHO ducks.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 08:46

I'm going out on a limb and play the queen.

If this wins I will take the double spade finesse.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 10:31

so you win in dummy play a spade to the 9. win the return. concede KS to the ace. then play the 10 of spades out of hand and try to read where the remaining Jack or Queen is, i.e. now singleton with east or covered and ruffing-finessable with west.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 11:34

Hi,

If you invite, which is clearcut, partner will accept.

The methods sound ok, the direct raise being the weak one.

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Posted 2010-January-18, 14:24

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If this wins I will take the double spade finesse.

Does that mean that you're crossing back to K to play a second spade? Compared to Bluecalm and Wank's suggestion of K from hand, that never gains, and loses against AQJ-xxxx.

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so you win in dummy play a spade to the 9. win the return. concede KS to the ace. then play the 10 of spades out of hand and try to read where the remaining Jack or Queen is, i.e. now singleton with east or covered and ruffing-finessable with west.

There are 12 ways for the spades to be AHxx-Hxx and 4 ways for them to be AHHx-xxx. LHO doesn't need both honours for his double, and RHO would probably have passed 2 whether he had a spade honour or not. (Maybe Qxx xxx xx QJ10xx is worth 3, but we don't have the entries to find out the club layout.)
It seems clear to play for Hxx on the right.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 14:54

P_Marlowe, on Jan 18 2010, 12:34 PM, said:

Hi,

If you invite, which is clearcut, partner will accept.

The methods sound ok, the direct raise being the weak one.

With kind regards
Marlowe

Maybe a bit off track, but out of curiosity why does a 6 count with only three trumps warrant accepting?
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Posted 2010-January-18, 14:54

billw55, on Jan 18 2010, 03:54 PM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Jan 18 2010, 12:34 PM, said:

Hi,

If you invite, which is clearcut, partner will accept.

The methods sound ok, the direct raise being the weak one.

With kind regards
Marlowe

Maybe a bit off track, but out of curiosity why does a 6 count with only three trumps warrant accepting?

You've already limited your hand to 4-7
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