On the auction
1♦-1♥
1♠-?
I play XYZ, such that 2♣ forces 2♦ by opener, usually to show an invitational hand or to play 2♦ (2♦ would show a GF hand). My question is whether 2♣ really needs to force 2♦?
With a very distributional hand and lots of diamonds, maybe something like this thread with 4x7x it's not like you're afraid of being passed in 2♦ (and you'll make 3♦ with a fit). Especially in standard where opener could still have a pretty big hand, I could see various possibilities:
after 2♣:
2♦ catchall
2♥ strong hand with 4351 shape, prefering to play 2♥ over 2♦ opposite weak partner
2♠ strong hand with 5x6x shape
2N 18-19 bal and we always rebid 1♠ with four
3♦ distributional hand with very good diamonds (and 4 spades)
What do you think? Depending on how you play XYZ, I don't think there are any weak hands in the 2♣ relay except those that want to get out in 2♦ (3♣ direct would be the weak x4x6). As such, it seems like showing strong distributional hands with diamonds can't get you in too much trouble opposite an invite or a diamond signoff, although you'd want to discuss continuations after opener's various relay breaks.
Thoughts? Do you already do this?
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XYZ question 2C forces 2D, or does it?
#2
Posted 2010-April-13, 00:27
Rob F, on Apr 13 2010, 12:28 AM, said:
Do you already do this?
Yes.
2C only forces 2D after a 1NT-rebid.
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#3
Posted 2010-April-13, 00:42
You just bid over 2C as you would have over a 2D bid in a standard system. So a 2D bid means you would have passed, other bids are normal and show extras.
#4
Posted 2010-April-13, 01:56
I play that
1♣-1♥ (actually 1♦ transfer)
1♠-2♣
3♣
doesn't show extras, but no real tolerance for diamonds, this is the only sequence where it doesn't show extras for us, not sure if its standard.
1♣-1♥ (actually 1♦ transfer)
1♠-2♣
3♣
doesn't show extras, but no real tolerance for diamonds, this is the only sequence where it doesn't show extras for us, not sure if its standard.
#5
Posted 2010-April-13, 08:21
Fluffy, on Apr 13 2010, 01:56 AM, said:
I play that
1♣-1♥ (actually 1♦ transfer)
1♠-2♣
3♣
doesn't show extras, but no real tolerance for diamonds, this is the only sequence where it doesn't show extras for us, not sure if its standard.
1♣-1♥ (actually 1♦ transfer)
1♠-2♣
3♣
doesn't show extras, but no real tolerance for diamonds, this is the only sequence where it doesn't show extras for us, not sure if its standard.
I would have thought this shows extras and I'm not sure I like your treatment so much. It seems there are more hands that need to be able to show extra strength than the 4207 minimum hands that need to bid 3♣
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#6
Posted 2010-April-13, 08:39
Right, there are several hand types where you can't risk partner passing 2♦.
Its especially an issue starting with 1♦ - 1♥ - 1♠ - 2♣. Picture opener with a good 4♠-6/7♦ for instance.
After 1♣ - 1♥ - 1♠ - 2♣, I'm not sure I'd ever want to bid 2♦ on any 4=3=0=6. With stronger hands I'd want to take some kind of forward going action as with a really good 4=0=4=5.
Its especially an issue starting with 1♦ - 1♥ - 1♠ - 2♣. Picture opener with a good 4♠-6/7♦ for instance.
After 1♣ - 1♥ - 1♠ - 2♣, I'm not sure I'd ever want to bid 2♦ on any 4=3=0=6. With stronger hands I'd want to take some kind of forward going action as with a really good 4=0=4=5.
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