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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2010-May-30, 04:25

we are vul

1-(1)-2-(3)


what is double now?
what is 3NT?

what is the way to slow down partner from bidding 5 over 4?

You might want a hand

AKx
KQxxx
Axxx
x
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Posted 2010-May-30, 04:30

It's good idea to have some fit bids here to show mixed raises and invites so partner basically never go to 5 himself after starting with 2.

In my very simple meta agreements dbl is for penalty (because we have found a fit), 3NT is to play.
With given hand I bid 4 and double them in 4.
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Posted 2010-May-30, 04:50

X: good controls, S-stops. If partner wants to try 800 bonanza ~CA+DK.
3NT: poor controls, S-stops. Unless this is reserved as good/bad for minor non-Q.
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Posted 2010-May-30, 05:15

I like

3NT="this is our hand", forcing, artificial, sets FP over their pitiful attempts at spade competition
X=penalty
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Posted 2010-May-30, 05:52

bluecalm, on May 30 2010, 10:30 AM, said:

In my very simple meta agreements dbl is for penalty (because we have found a fit), 3NT is to play.
With given hand I bid 4 and double them in 4.

This were my meta agreements at that time, but sadly 4 brought 5 from partner (not a great bid, but he isn't a great player either so not a great surprise). And -100 wasn't a good score.
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Posted 2010-May-30, 06:26

Hi:

It may not stop partner, but you might want to mention that the 'five level is for the other pair.' This is not an absolute rule, however, it is normally a very good rule to follow.

A raise to 2 of your major should be a fairly well defined hand. A hand that will not bid five 'unless' additional bidding by partner 'invite you to help decide.'

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Posted 2010-May-30, 06:43

Double penalty, 4H to play, partner won't usually bid over 4S. To involve partner bid 3NT, 4C or 4D. The latter two invite partner to bid 5H over 4S with a good fit.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-May-30, 07:54

3N offer to play, X penalty. There is no need to "slow partner down from bidding 5" he only bid 2H, if we just bid 4H there is no way he can now go 5H. If you are 2 suited and want to involve partner in bidding 5 just bid your second suit
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Posted 2010-May-30, 08:31

Fluffy, on May 30 2010, 05:25 AM, said:

we are vul

1-(1)-2-(3)


what is double now?
what is 3NT?

what is the way to slow down partner from bidding 5 over 4?

You might want a hand

AKx
KQxxx
Axxx
x

just bid 4 partner may hold

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Posted 2010-May-30, 08:39

Jlall, on May 30 2010, 07:54 AM, said:

There is no need to "slow partner down from bidding 5" he only bid 2H, if we just bid 4H there is no way he can now go 5H.

This says it. There is no need to add "usually", or any other qualifier. 4H by opener does not invite partner to the party.
"Bidding Spades to show spades can work well." (Kenberg)
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