[mikeh]

the hog, on 2010-November-14, 18:27, said:

Isn't he? So you are suggesting that if his partner responds 2C he will bid 2D rather than 2S? Hmmm, this is a novel idea. I bet his bid will be 2S. Use some logic please, mgoetze!

It turns out that you are incorrect, again.

In the event that partner bids 2♣, with silent opps, I will rebid 2♦. i won't be happy...tho I haven't missed spades yet. BTW, for most of us, bidding 2♠ over 2♣ is not actually a reverse. I play it as showing modest extras, while others may play it as no extras at all. If I belonged to the no extras school, I would bid 2♠...but neither the members of that school nor any expert I know would require real reversing values for 2♠. You appear to have some gaps in your basic knowledge of standard bidding.

BTW. all of this is precisely why I would never open this hand if my major were hearts...I'd be in trouble after a 1♠ response as well as a 2♣ response.

[P_Marlowe]

No, I would pass.

I made this decision a long time ago, but for me the line in the sand is to
have 10HCP, the hand has 9.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[the hog]

mikeh, on 2010-November-14, 20:03, said:

It turns out that you are incorrect, again.

In the event that partner bids 2♣, with silent opps, I will rebid 2♦. i won't be happy...tho I haven't missed spades yet. BTW, for most of us, bidding 2♠ over 2♣ is not actually a reverse. I play it as showing modest extras, while others may play it as no extras at all. If I belonged to the no extras school, I would bid 2♠...but neither the members of that school nor any expert I know would require real reversing values for 2♠. You appear to have some gaps in your basic knowledge of standard bidding.

BTW. all of this is precisely why I would never open this hand if my major were hearts...I'd be in trouble after a 1♠ response as well as a 2♣ response.

Pot calling kettle! YOU may not treat this as a reverse, many do.
Good luck finding a 5-3 S fit. You have much more chance if you pass and come in later.

[han]

I'd open 1D but can certainly live with pass.

[vuroth]

My gut says pass, but ro20 makes me slow down and think. I like where my HCPs are, and think the shape is worth trying 1♦.

Over 1♦ 2♣ I'll rebid ♦s. Yes, we may miss a ♠ fit, but if I open 1♠ then certain auctions are going to cover a wide variety of hands.

If I pass, which isn't unreasonable at all, I think I'd go with 5♦ over the double. Slam seems aggressive, and I'm just looking for a plus at this point.

[Fluffy]

jillybean, on 2010-November-14, 00:00, said:

If
P (5♣) X (P)
6♣ is pick a slam

what is
P (5♣) X (P)
5N ?

5NT is 2 places to play.

6♣ is a 3 suited (4 if you include NT) pick a slam bid, but might also be a grand try with spades if rectify the contract.

[pooltuna]

I hate opening a hand without some defense so in this case if I cannot back in I start with a weak 2♦. Planning on bidding 2♠ on an auction like ...(P) P 2♥. Or assuming the opps are V I will try 3♠ after a continuation like ... (2♥) P (3♥)