[jillybean]

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Partner opens 2N.
You play transfers,stayman,puppet over 2N, 4♣/transfer is 1430 Gerber
4N is quantitative

How do you plan on bidding this using these constraints?

[TWO4BRIDGE]

I have neither the tools nor the "space" to find the magic Opener hand for slam with this weak Responder;
so I'll just transfer to Hts ( Texas if you play that )for a 4H game only.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Well, I do have a tool ( toy ), but I didn't think it would work on this weak of a hand, but after running
some practice hands ( vis Richard Pavlicek's hand generator ), I found that most deals ended up making 11 tricks... and only a few just made 10 tricks... And there were some that made 12 tricks.

1) You are guaranteed at least an 8 card fit ( or better ) in both of the 2 red suits.
2) My latest system is "key-showing" ( 6 Ace )and does not include the Q's ( they can be asked for later
ONLY if all 6 keys are accounted for ).
Edit:3) bid only 5C/5H with only 4 keys
... bid 6C/6H with 5 keys

Take this one for example:

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2NT.......3D!
3H........4C! ( ostensibly 5h/5c, slammish )
??
..4D! = warning of NO Diam Ctrl ( next step )
..4H! = warning of NO Sp Ctrl ( edit: 2nd step )

After:
4D!....... ??
...............4H! ( no Diam Ctrl either; partner may pass )
.............. Next 3 steps are key-showing w/Diam Ctrl
................4S! = 0 or 3
...............4NT! = 1 or 4 (Opener realizes it is only 1 key )
................5C! = 2
After: 4NT!
6C ( 4+1 = 5 keys total of 6 )

( the hand might even make 13 tricks )

[mike777]

3d and then 4c.

a) if no superaccept of h then 4c over 3h now:
4d is rkc for clubs
4h=hearts are trumps.(you cannot cue for hearts)
4s= s cue for clubs
4nt=d cue for clubs
5c=clubs
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option 2 is:
3d and then 4h...mild slam try in hearts.

[Zelandakh]

jillybean, on 2010-November-15, 15:50, said:

Partner opens 2N.
You play transfers,stayman,puppet over 2N, 4♣/transfer is 1430 Gerber
4N is quantitative

How do you plan on bidding this using these constraints?

Since you play 2NT - 3red - 3M - 4C as Gerber, do you correspondingly play 2NT - 3red - 3M - 4M as a slam try with the major + clubs? And how would you bid with a stronger major-club 2-suiter? I think some workarounds are needed in order to play Gerber after these transfers.

[andy_h]

I would like to transfer via 3D and then bid 4C to show my clubs. I think it is important to have 4C/D over a transfer to be natural (with slam interest) because otherwise it will be impossible to bid these two suiters (it need not require an extreme shape like 65). If you want to ask for keycards then I suggest playing texas-transfer-then-4NT to be the keycard ask. As it is, if 4C over the transfer is gerber then I think I'm pretty much stuck. I feel like I want to bid 3D transfer and then 5C natural because I really want to do justice with this 65! If that auction or any sciency auction will create a potential disaster (partner not on the same wavelength) then I will go with the low road of transferring via 3D. If partner doesn't super accept then I sign off with 4H (even if this is read as a mild slam try if playing texas transfers), otherwise if partner superaccepts then I will move on.

[han]

Just show hearts and clubs, easy to have slam if opener has a good fit.

[FrancesHinden]

I know these answers aren't very helpful, but you do need _some_ way of showing hearts and clubs!

With no way of showing my two-suiter, I would just guess by transferring to hearts and bidding 6C. We've got no way of knowing what's making, so why not go for something fun?

[jillybean]

Thanks. We are now talking about playing 4♣ as natural, atleast in 2N auctions and only using 4♣ as gerber KC after 1N.

[TimG]

jillybean, on 2010-November-16, 13:23, said:

Thanks. We are now talking about playing 4♣ as natural, atleast in 2N auctions and only using 4♣ as gerber KC after 1N.

I think it is common for people to play Texas followed by 4NT (or 4M+1) as RKC and Jacoby followed by 4NT as quantitative. When you're just checking to make sure you aren't missing too many keycards for slam, there isn't much need to avoid the five-level. If you're using keycard to find out whether you are in the slam zone, I think you are using the tool incorrectly.

[jillybean]

TimG, on 2010-November-19, 08:07, said:

I think it is common for people to play Texas followed by 4NT (or 4M+1) as RKC and Jacoby followed by 4NT as quantitative. When you're just checking to make sure you aren't missing too many keycards for slam, there isn't much need to avoid the five-level. If you're using keycard to find out whether you are in the slam zone, I think you are using the tool incorrectly.

I agree. My partner has some strong attachments to 4♣GKC so we are working through things step by step.

[Fluffy]

Some form of asking transfer is also helpful for slam purposes. after 1NT-3♦ partner is not forced to bid 3♥ so he can pick 3NT (or 3♠) instead.

You can either play that 3♥ shows fit or that it denies, both have pros and cons.


On the given hand I feel pessimistic today and bid 3♦+4♣+4♥ if I can.