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#1 User is offline   kgr 

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Posted 2010-December-04, 03:19

MP's

1♦-(2♥)-DBL-(Pass)
3♦-(Pass)-3NT-AP
East did lead a ♣ and North claimed 13 tricks
Note: 6♦ by South would be down
PS: What do you typically bid with the south hand when opps pass: 1D-1S-2/3D?


Edited: Added a small club for North

This post has been edited by kgr: 2010-December-04, 05:36

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Posted 2010-December-04, 03:27

If 4NT on 3♦ would have been quantitative, North gets 100%.

If not, the blame is split in the same fractions that NS are responsible for this.
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Posted 2010-December-04, 04:39

View PostOleBerg, on 2010-December-04, 03:27, said:

If 4NT on 3♦ would have been quantitative, North gets 100%.

I think that 4NT should be quantitative, but I think that at the table we would be both unsure if it is RKC or Quantitative.
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Posted 2010-December-04, 05:32

north has 12 cards
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Posted 2010-December-04, 06:23

North should bid a quantitative 4NT over 3D. If however you were unsure whether 4NT was quantitative or RKC then I think North should bid either bid 3NT or 4D depending on your style of opening at 1st NV. On 2nd thoughts I think North should just set diamonds with 4D because there are lots of minimum hands which make slam decent with a few chances. Say Kx xx KQxxxx Kxx and that requires diamonds 3-2 and the DA not with the 2H bidder, or maybe Kxx x AKxxxx Jxx and it also requires diamonds 3-2 with possible simple/double squeeze available. These were just minimum hands - with some average ones say Kxx x AQ10xxx Kxx or KQx xx AK10xxx Jx then they start to become even better slams. Seems like I'm talking myself into just bidding keycard!
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Posted 2010-December-04, 10:56

1D - ( 2H ) - DBL - ( p )
3D - ( p ) - 3H! - ( p )
3NT - ( p ) - 6NT

Responder's "only forcing bid after a Neg-DBL is a cue bid " ...

He really wasn't expecting a 3NT call by partner, since it should show the ♥K.
Then what the heck was that weak 2H overcall with NOT one of the top 4 honors -- "an overcall on the smell of an oily rag ".
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Posted 2010-December-04, 11:01

Don where is your 12th trick? I can count only 11.
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Posted 2010-December-04, 11:56

View PostFluffy, on 2010-December-04, 11:01, said:

Don where is your 12th trick? I can count only 11.


6d, 4h, 2 black Aces = 12
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Posted 2010-December-04, 12:08

yeah yeah I know you want to make 6♦ the problem is, how do you know that partner has 6 diamonds when you bid 6NT
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Posted 2010-December-04, 12:19

why does 6d go down?
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Posted 2010-December-04, 12:20

View Postgwnn, on 2010-December-04, 12:19, said:

why does 6d go down?

heart lead is ruffed and ♣K is badly placed
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Posted 2010-December-04, 12:20

thats very bad luck
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Posted 2010-December-04, 14:16

Very unlucky 6♦ goes down but I doubt West is preempting on 10-6th either. 6N is money, and North gets all the blame for 3N.
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Posted 2010-December-04, 15:33

% 100 North. Add a ♦J or a 7th ♦ to south, i would bid 3 NT from south over dbl.
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Posted 2010-December-05, 06:59

Thanks all for the answers.
3NT+4 scored 66.7% (This is not a very strong field):
3x 3N+4
1x 6N=
2x 3N+2
1x 6D-1 (West didn't bid her Hearts and did lead Heart for a ruff by East)
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Posted 2010-December-05, 07:40

3NT was atrocious. You have 19 HCP. NINETEEN!! And a good nineteen too, is that not enough to make a slam try these days? Idiotic.

The question about what to rebid with the south hand is also ridiculous, this is the advanced/expert forum.
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Posted 2010-December-05, 09:50

View Posthan, on 2010-December-05, 07:40, said:

3NT was atrocious. You have 19 HCP. NINETEEN!! And a good nineteen too, is that not enough to make a slam try these days? Idiotic.
The question about what to rebid with the south hand is also ridiculous, this is the advanced/expert forum.
North didn't have ♠J (I know she did only have 18 pts). That will probably change your view completely.
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Posted 2010-December-06, 07:12

I blame north 100%, with or without ♠J.
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