[BunnyGo]

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Thanks.

[Hanoi5]

1♥-1♠
2NT-3NT

1♥-1♠
3♦-5♦
P

1♣(16+)-1NT(Bal 8-13)
2♥-2♠
3♦-4♦
5♦-P

[BunnyGo]

Hanoi5, on 2011-June-28, 19:05, said:

1♥-1♠
2NT-3NT

1♥-1♠
3♦-5♦
P

1♣(16+)-1NT(Bal 8-13)
2♥-2♠
3♦-4♦
5♦-P

Thanks, those seem reasonable. We had:

1♥-1♠
3♦-3NT
4NT-AP

I wasn't thrilled with the final 4 calls.

[daveharty]

I think the hand is too good to open 1H and rebid 2NT (unless you play it as GF). I would rather open 2NT. Hanoi's other auctions look reasonable.

[han]

BunnyGo, on 2011-June-28, 19:16, said:

1♥-1♠
3♦-3NT
4NT-AP

I wasn't thrilled with the final 4 calls.

There is no reason to be unhappy about 3D. It's the most straightforward bid holding a gameforcing hand with 5 hearts and 4 diamonds.

3NT is really odd, no club stopper and good diamond support. I would bid 4D and my second choice is 3H. I can only imagine bidding 5D if I had seen all the hands. For one, we have a pretty good hand for diamonds. For another, we may belong in 4H (I would pass if opener rebids 4H over 4D).

4NT is even worse. Opener showed his strength with 3D, he has no extra values.

Pass of 4NT doesn't seem right either but perhaps responder knew his partner.

[wyman]

1♥ - 1♠;
3♦ - 4♦;
5♦ - Pass

I have nothing kind to say about 3N with that club holding and diamond support, and I don't understand why north thinks he's somehow shown less than he's got.

[Cyberyeti]

1♥-1♠
2N-3♣
3♦-4♦
4♥-4N
5♦

2N = GF, not balanced
3♣ = bid on any non exceptional hand
4♥ = kickback

Partner might have AQxx, xx, J109x, xxx and slam may be OK, or he may hold the hand he actually does, 5♦ is as far as you can really go. 2N does show a fine hand, if partner has Q♥, A♠, K♣ as well as ♦J10xx I'd expect him to bid the slam.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

we play a 2/1 system.

1H - 1S
3D - 4D (1)
4S (2) - 5D (3)

(1) SI: fit, and not being dead - you have to make a move
(2) Cue, showing a top honor in spades, unless I have overlooked
the fact that South is possiby a passed hand, the cue is matadory,
why rush the bidding with 5D facing am unlimited p, who made a SI move.
After a short reflection - 4H may be better, unless this choice of games
with a 6-4 hand, in the context of the SI bid this may or may not make sense.
The 4H cue allowes p to bid 4S, so teh 4H cue is better than teh 4S cue,
but I am not changing my proposed auction.

(3) having made the move, it is time to limit the hand

The above auction is not a 2/1 auction, it is a auction that could / would /
should be replicated by most natural systems.
To a certain degree, that is not even an A/E auction, the only thing B/I players
may find hard is by passing 3NT.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Zelandakh]

1C = 15+ bal/nat or 18+ any
... - 2H = 4-5 spades, 2-3 hearts, balanced, GF
2S = relay, usually 18+
... - 3C = 4 diamonds
3D = relay
... - 3H = 4243
3S = relay
... - 3NT = min
4C = relay
... - 4H = 2 controls
5D

[rhm]

wyman, on 2011-June-29, 11:55, said:

1♥ - 1♠;
3♦ - 4♦;
5♦ - Pass

I have nothing kind to say about 3N with that club holding and diamond support, and I don't understand why north thinks he's somehow shown less than he's got.

I think this depends a bit whether this is Matchpoints or not.

1♥-1♠
2NT--3NT

looks to me practical. Those who bid with such ease and precision to 5♦ on paper should explain, how their bidding would differ if either partner had the ♣T instead of a small ♣.

Rainer Herrmann

[Cyberyeti]

rhm, on 2011-June-30, 05:41, said:

I think this depends a bit whether this is Matchpoints or not.

1♥-1♠
2NT--3NT

looks to me practical. Those who bid with such ease and precision to 5♦ on paper should explain, how their bidding would differ if either partner had the ♣T instead of a small ♣.

Rainer Herrmann

It's a more interesting decision at MPs, I didn't "bid with precision to 5♦", I bailed out of 6 when partner didn't have 2 aces, having shown enough extras that partner would bid it on some of the hands where it was making.

At MPs we might bid 2N-3♣-3♥(5)-3N (we play a good 19 to non superb 21 2N).

[kayin801]

Cyberyeti, on 2011-June-30, 06:19, said:

At MPs we might bid 2N-3♣-3♥(5)-3N (we play a good 19 to non superb 21 2N).

I would do this at all forms of scoring.

Edit: I also have no problem with opening 1♥ and rebidding 3♦, but at that point I echo everything han said.

[P_Marlowe]

rhm, on 2011-June-30, 05:41, said:

I think this depends a bit whether this is Matchpoints or not.

1♥-1♠
2NT--3NT

looks to me practical. Those who bid with such ease and precision to 5♦ on paper should explain, how their bidding would differ if either partner had the ♣T instead of a small ♣.

Rainer Herrmann

Hi,

#1 If you have a natural 2NT rebid av. in the given seq., than 2NT instead of 3D is certainly
a reasonable alternative, we dont have this bid av.
Of course a 19HCP opener with prime values facing a 1 level response usually wants to drive
towards game, and a natural 2NT is usually not played as forcing.
But again, playing MP, it is not the end of the world, if you stay out of game once in while
with a combined 25/26HCP.
#2 Most are bypassing 3NT, because they are investigating slam.
#3 I am not good in analyzing hands, but even if either player has the ten of clubs instead
of a small club, wont score 3NT the same as 5D? Do you make 10 tricks in 3NT under the stated
assumption?

With kind regards
Marlowe

[han]

rhm, on 2011-June-30, 05:41, said:

I think this depends a bit whether this is Matchpoints or not.

1♥-1♠
2NT--3NT

looks to me practical. Those who bid with such ease and precision to 5♦ on paper should explain, how their bidding would differ if either partner had the ♣T instead of a small ♣.

Rainer Herrmann

Your auction looks bad to me, I don't like the 2NT rebid. Of course holding A10 instead of Ax in the unbid suit makes the 2NT rebid more attractive, but it is still an underbid. A 2NT opening is right on values but also has its obvious flaws. Again a great hand for playing Gazilli!

When responder has J10x I wouldn't get to 3NT. 1H - 1S - 3D - 3H - 3NT is not completely ridiculus (and rightsides 3NT) but I'd bid 4D as responder.

[han]

For those that rebid 2NT, what do you rebid on Kx AK108x Kxx Axx?

[Zelandakh]

rhm, on 2011-June-30, 05:41, said:

I think this depends a bit whether this is Matchpoints or not.

1♥-1♠
2NT--3NT

looks to me practical. Those who bid with such ease and precision to 5♦ on paper should explain, how their bidding would differ if either partner had the ♣T instead of a small ♣.

Rainer Herrmann

In my auction partner has shown ~9-11 opposite my 7 control monster - do you really think it is a good idea to give up on slam possibilities here? Obviously the option was there to give up in 3NT, even asking for a club stopper along the way. I think the odds on slam being good are too high for this. The OP did not give a form of scoring - I tend to assume IMPs in that case since it is the default on BBO, perhaps wrongly of course. Naturally one is closer to not exploring slam in MP.

In your auction I think 1H - 1S - 2NT is an underbid - this hand is worth more than 18-19 imho.

[wyman]

rhm, on 2011-June-30, 05:41, said:

I think this depends a bit whether this is Matchpoints or not.

1♥-1♠
2NT--3NT

looks to me practical. Those who bid with such ease and precision to 5♦ on paper should explain, how their bidding would differ if either partner had the ♣T instead of a small ♣.

Rainer Herrmann

I assume IMPs unless told otherwise, and it seems that the board as a whole does also.

My bidding would not differ due to the club 10. I would not rebid 2N with the strong hand, as I think it is too good. Opening 2N is an option, but it is one that I dismissed for various reasons. Once you choose to open this hand 1H, I think a 3D rebid is normal. I sympathize with 3H by responder after 3D (after which we would just play 3N), but as responder I would just support with 4D.

[Cyberyeti]

han, on 2011-June-30, 07:33, said:

For those that rebid 2NT, what do you rebid on Kx AK108x Kxx Axx?

I play a weak no trump so I rebid a wide range 1N, then show 5 hearts and 17-bad 19 with 3♥ when partner asks.

[phil_20686]

If the auction begins 1h-1s-3d, east should immeadeately give false preference to hearts. A 4d call is not unreasonable but with only Jxx clubs and slow spade values I would be hesitant to give up on 3N.

After 1h-1s-3d-3h

opener is in a tough spot, I would neither want to encourage NT nor discourage diamonds and in practice all 3 strains are still in play. A 3S bid seems like a practical move in the circumstances, though some will doubtless play that this promises 3S, i prefer it to be kept somewhat flexible given the somewhat delicate nature of these auctions. Moreover, I certainly beleive that responder should be able to rebid 3S on 5 card suits when he is unsuitable for 3N or 4m himself: say AQTxx x Kxx Txxx would be a fine 3S rebid in my understanding.

East can now show his diamond support. Since the 3S bid doubltess expresses concern about the club suit, and responder has an ideal hand to play in 4h or 5d. IMO bidding 4d now certainly denies any slam ambition, as with 4 card diamonds and slam ambition i would certainly have preferred to bid 4d on the previous round. Similarly I would have played 1h-1s-3d-4c as a slam try in hearts otherwise undisclosed.

Now opener is in a good position to judge. However, with strong hearts, strong diamonds and strong controls both 5d and 4h look like good bets. I would not criticise either.

Thus my suggested auction in semi-standard agreements is:

1♥-1♠
3♦-3♥
3♠-4♦
4♥/5♦.

[mike777]

BunnyGo, on 2011-June-28, 18:57, said:

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Thanks.

speaking as a nonexpert i found this a very interesting post.

I would bid 5d over 3d.


1h=1s
3d=?

Now I would have bid 5d not 4d.

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As a nonexpert first three bids very easy......now I would bid 5d not 4d as I think i only have one or 2 covers.