GIB description strikes again
#1
Posted 2011-August-28, 23:47
4NT was alerted when I bid it as BLACKWOOD (for ♥), not RKC or 1430. I wasn't sure if GIB screwed up the bidding, was actually bidding Blackwood, or was playing 1430 or 0314. As you can see, I figured either it was Blackwood or was 1430, and failed completely.
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#2
Posted 2011-August-29, 00:04
That could never be blackwood because you maximized your hand and GIB showed nothing extra.
Conclusion: South is looking for a minor suit, let's bid the longest.
When you had begun with 2♣ and raised 2♥ to 3♥ there would have been lots of room to look for the best slam.
You cannot blame GIB this time!
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#3
Posted 2011-August-29, 00:15
But you almost certainly confused it. Forcing NT in 2/1 Game Forcing is limited to invitational strength.
#4
Posted 2011-August-29, 01:59
dicklont, on 2011-August-29, 00:04, said:
This is all pure nonsense. Although (as both Dicklont and Barmar pointed out) you are expected to make a game-forcing bid with your game-forcing hand at your first opportunity, GIB did understand 4NT as RKC(♥) and answered accordingly.
I'm curious to hear from others as to whether this is one of those situations where RKC responder is supposed to bid over the apparent sign-off when he has 3, not 0, keycards.
#5
Posted 2011-August-29, 03:49
barmar, on 2011-August-29, 00:15, said:
[Citation needed]
Bbradley62, on 2011-August-29, 01:59, said:
No, more like one of those situations where RKC responder is supposed to look for a new partner. I mean he bid 1NT and you have 15 points... if he has a real 1NT bid you'll be happy to even make 5.
-- Bertrand Russell
#6
Posted 2011-August-29, 04:40
You don't need to hesitate whether it was 03/14, the bid will provide you information.
you should see something like: Zero or three key cards -- 4+ H; 5+ S; 11+ HCP; 12-18 total points; 3- controls
Removing 3 key card possibility ( which are ♠A♠,♥K and ♦A) GIB opening must have
♠KJxxx♥Jxxx♦QJx ♣Q
or ♠KJxxx♥Jxxx♦QJ ♣Qx = 10HCP not quite enough to open 1♠
And why should responder consider correction the contract based on having 3 then 0 or having 4 then 1 KC answer. He must assume his partner revealed his answer already. Even if you have not mentioned void, you better think for improving bidding continuation carrying more information then aiming at the final.
#7
Posted 2011-August-29, 05:38
georgi, on 2011-August-29, 04:40, said:
I thought this doesn't apply to the express tournaments.
-- Bertrand Russell
#8
Posted 2011-August-29, 07:24
mgoetze, on 2011-August-29, 05:38, said:
Correct for Express, but you can see explanations of your calls if your partner is replaced with GIB. Supposedly GIB are only subs there, so you should handle with human partner like in normal tournament.
However you can approach the CC loaded for your pair.
It's written RKC 0314.
#9
Posted 2011-August-29, 07:54
#11
Posted 2011-August-29, 08:33
Bbradley62, on 2011-August-29, 07:54, said:
Yeah, for the "most experts" part. I mean, I find it hard to think of a hand where an expert would even have that auction, but that's another matter.
-- Bertrand Russell
#12
Posted 2011-August-29, 13:16
#13
Posted 2011-August-29, 15:27
barmar, on 2011-August-29, 13:16, said:
Good point, you've convinced me that 1M-4NT should show 6-6 in the minors.
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#14
Posted 2011-August-29, 16:50
Bbradley62, on 2011-August-29, 07:54, said:
Or, were you looking for a citation on the "most experts" part? There's an inconclusive discussion of that in the "which splinter" thread.
on a hand like this cant 5♠ possibly be bid since you do have extra length, to compensate for the Q♥ doesnt seem likely
partner would bid 4NT without four hearts though life would have been easier if south had bid 2NT
#15
Posted 2011-August-29, 23:43
"Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself."
"One advantage of bad bidding is that you get practice at playing atrocious contracts."
-Alfred Sheinwold