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what to bid in 4th seat with 0346 after 1S?

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Posted 2011-October-15, 12:27

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KJ8
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1 - p - p - ?

Question 1: What is your choice?

Imagine you bid 2 and the bidding continues:
2 - p - p - ?

Question 2a: What now?
Question 2b: Do you treat X in this sequence as take/out (showing something like -346, otherwise first round X with eg -445) or penalty?
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Posted 2011-October-15, 12:46

1. 2c
2. 2NT (delay unusual)...delay double would have 4 hearts and longer clubs, not wanting to double in the balance seat the first time.
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Posted 2011-October-15, 14:26

There is a lot to be said for doubling the first time since balancing in a suit tends to show less than full opening values.

Having balanced with 2, I would double when in balancing seat for the second time. It is clearly for takeout.
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Posted 2011-October-15, 15:26

View PostArtK78, on 2011-October-15, 14:26, said:

There is a lot to be said for doubling the first time since balancing in a suit tends to show less than full opening values.

I don't think opening values should be the benchmark for balancing action. For some of us, a balancing suit bid has an upper limit of about a king less than it would in direct seat.

This hand fits it with that, and a double could be brutal with no spades and only 3 hearts.
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Posted 2011-October-15, 15:56

3C in balancing seat with opening values and a 6+ card suit.
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Posted 2011-October-15, 17:39

If you are prepared to have partner pass a X then thats the bid you should make.

If not then 3 or 2NT, its a toss up for me.
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Posted 2011-October-15, 19:37

2C followed by a x over 2S.
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Posted 2011-October-16, 03:04

1. 2C
2a. Double
2b. Take-out, typically at least 335 in the other 3 suits (respond pretty much as if partner has 1336).
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Posted 2011-October-16, 04:27

I know I'd double first time, but I'd have a big problem second round, havin bid 2 its so obvious to double again althouh the values are pehaps minimum or sub-minimum
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Posted 2011-October-16, 12:36

Direct 3C seems normal.
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Posted 2011-October-17, 12:14

2 and dbl later if needed for me.

Suit is not good enough for direct 3 and this hand has more potentials than just putting all eggs into basket.
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Posted 2011-October-18, 01:55

1. 2, although my preference is slowly shifting to Dbl.
2a. Dbl
2b. takeout
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