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Poll: Raise partner? (65 member(s) have cast votes)

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Pass (36 votes [55.38%] - View)
Percentage of vote: 55.38%
Double (8 votes [12.31%] - View)
Percentage of vote: 12.31%
5H (21 votes [32.31%] - View)
Percentage of vote: 32.31%
Bid something else - please explain (0 votes [0.00%])
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#41 nige1

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Posted 2011-November-26, 17:19

Trinidad, on 2011-November-23, 16:23, said:

I would bid 5♥: Bridge is a bidder's game. If it's raining in September, Christmas will be in December.

Trinidad, on 2011-November-25, 16:07, said:

Pass is obvious. When fixed, stay fixed.

Ralph Waldo Emerson said:

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds...

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Posted 2011-November-26, 18:36

Flameous, on 2011-November-26, 04:31, said:

I don't know, maybe your opps are really fixed with their pre-empts after their partner has passed, but I wouldn't
be a bit surprised if RHO held something like AKxx - AQxxxxx Kxx

Not bad although your example has 14 cards.

RHO held:

♠ K863
♥ T
♦ AKQ5432
♣ 7

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#43 Trinidad

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Posted 2011-November-27, 03:33

nige1 said:

Trinidad, on 2011-November-23, 16:23, said:

I would bid 5♥: Bridge is a bidder's game. If it's raining in September, Christmas will be in December.

Trinidad, on 2011-November-25, 16:07, said:

Pass is obvious. When fixed, stay fixed.

Ralph Waldo Emerson said:

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds...

What can I say?

Sometimes preempts work...

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Posted 2011-November-28, 11:19

Phil, on 2011-November-24, 10:20, said:

I guess

x
AKxx
xx
AKJxxx

is a 6♥ bid?

Don't pet burning dogs.

I would bid 5h also with this hand (and be a bit happier about it) but the main difference is if
p makes a move toward a grand I would cooperate with this hand with the original hand I would try
and sign off:)))

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Posted 2011-November-29, 19:41

kfay, on 2011-November-25, 15:33, said:

Here's the problem with 5♥: Partner might bid six!

I mean there are several more problems with it. I really don't see a reason not to make a normal??? pass. What's so good about my hand? People are nuts.

Just to throw another overused saying out there... partner still has a bid!

I agree and i wrote in my earlier post that there are a lot of hands we will make pd too excited where we can make 5♥

mikeh, on 2011-November-16, 19:19, said:

As it is, I bid 5♥. Could this be a disaster? ummm....yes. But what if I pass and partner doubles...surely a high probability scenario. What do I do then, and why?

You then bid 5♥. This doesnt show 4333 hand, neither 4432 nor 5431 since u pass most of those even with a fit. Is what i suggest work all the time ? No. But after all we are trying to find a logical bid over an extremely heavy preempt at 5 level.

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Posted 2011-November-29, 21:48

I like 5H.

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Posted 2011-November-30, 05:21

What happened? Curiosity killed the cat.

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Posted 2011-November-30, 09:49

mikeh, on 2011-November-16, 19:19, said:

What a great hand for 'double says I'd be happy to bid 5♥' while 'pass says I'd really like to defend'. But, of course, this requires that this be a fp situation. I know some players believe that this vulnerability makes this a fp situation. I can see why, but such an agreement requires a higher assumption of risk than I am comfortable with assuming.

I like that. Basically the double says 4♥ makes. I doubled because we are being stolen blind.

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Posted 2011-November-30, 13:39

gwnn, on 2011-November-30, 05:21, said:

What happened? Curiosity killed the cat.

I have lost the hand record sorry so I don't have the other hands (east hand was posted above).

5♦ was passed out.

North hand only four hearts but 5♥ was cold.

North South misdefended 5♦ - ♥A won then singleton spade switch and north imagined that the heart rather than the spade was singleton and tried to give south a heart ruff. Eleven tricks. It was Matchpoints and 5♦ making wasn't much worse than 5♦ down a trick or two undoubled.

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Posted 2011-December-01, 01:39

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Posted 2011-December-01, 03:05

Found the whole hand:

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Posted 2011-December-01, 04:57

Partner
S:A107
H:Q953
D:96
C:K853
And did not Double? 'Cards' at this level with 9=AKQ.
Double gets US to 5H, and declares no D-control.!
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Posted 2011-December-01, 05:20

dake50, on 2011-December-01, 04:57, said:

Partner
S:A107
H:Q953
D:96
C:K853
And did not Double? 'Cards' at this level with 9=AKQ.
Double gets US to 5H, and declares no D-control.!

Yes, but if that is true, then double will also get us to 5♠ (corrected to 6♣) if South majors are reversed.

Rik

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Posted 2011-December-02, 11:16

Trinidad, on 2011-December-01, 05:20, said:

Yes, but if that is true, then double will also get us to 5♠ (corrected to 6♣) if South majors are reversed.
Rik

No. Not even close.

Nobody sane would bid 5♠ 4126 on a MAYBE 4-4 fit at 5 level holding stiff in pd's first suit. Responder's DBL has nothing to do with spades, he will almost always DBL with 10+ hcp. Nobody has the luxury to spare DBL showing only ♠ at this level.

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Posted 2011-December-02, 20:09

Cascade, on 2011-December-01, 03:05, said:

Found the whole hand:

Not convinced 5♥ is cold. Defense starts with 3 diamonds. Declarer must ruff in the correct hand.

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Posted 2011-December-03, 02:14

jogs, on 2011-December-02, 20:09, said:

Not convinced 5♥ is cold. Defense starts with 3 diamonds. Declarer must ruff in the correct hand.

It would be a very poor play to ruff in the North hand - that's playing for West to have passed over 1♣ with a 7123 or 8122 shape.

... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn

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