[Cascade]

♠ A9762
♥ AK
♦ 652
♣ AQ10

Weak no trump
Four Card Majors - partner will raise with most hands with three trumps and a few points
Nil Vulnerable
Matchpoints (Edit Addition)

Pass (Pass) 1♠ (2♦)
Pass (Pass) ?

If you don't pass what will you do over partner's various actions.

[mich-b]

I would pass. I don't think we have game , and I don't have any comfortable course of action if I double and pd bids 2♥.

[Cascade]

mich-b, on 2011-November-30, 03:12, said:

I would pass. I don't think we have game , and I don't have any comfortable course of action if I double and pd bids 2♥.

Sorry I forgot to mention it is matchpoints. Not sure if that make a difference but it might when you say you don't think we have a game.

[Mbodell]

I will act. I don't know enough about playing this system to know if X or 2♠ is better, but I suspect X is the right choice, passing 2♥ if partner bids it.

[Fluffy]

nobody vul, MPs.... lets bid double and pass 2M from partner, I will compete to 3♠ if partner bids 2♠ and RHO 3♦.

[Hanoi5]

I'd double and pass most actions by partner but bid 2♠ over 2♥.

[dake50]

Partner did not negX, did not 2H, nor 2S.
What is left for me to hope for?
My partner is aggressive to not be
shut out at low levels. He would have shown
most "have hearts" "spades OK".
That leaves stuff but his suit is
clubs/diamonds, or he is bust.
17 with 3xD isn't the world. PASS.

[Fluffy]

dake50, on 2011-November-30, 06:42, said:

Partner did not negX, did not 2H, nor 2S.
What is left for me to hope for?
My partner is aggressive to not be
shut out at low levels. He would have shown
most "have hearts" "spades OK".
That leaves stuff but his suit is
clubs/diamonds, or he is bust.
17 with 3xD isn't the world. PASS.

What range do you think partner has assuming he is not trap passing?

[bigbenvic]

I'm crazy but I just cant sell out to 2m here.

I feel dirty but will bid 2s as I have the wrong shape to re-open here.

I have sympathy with partner if they held that hand and X 2♦ I reckon this is a good hand to discuss with partner what you do and why.

[Cascade]

Fluffy, on 2011-November-30, 07:54, said:

What range do you think partner has assuming he is not trap passing?

0-5 at most with 4+ hearts or 3+ spades.

Slightly more with long clubs (or very awkward hands with weak long diamonds).

[the hog]

Fluffy, on 2011-November-30, 03:56, said:

nobody vul, MPs.... lets bid double and pass 2M from partner, I will compete to 3♠ if partner bids 2♠ and RHO 3♦.

I suppose it is possible to make 2H in a 4-2 fit. However I will pass this hand.

[MrAce]

Fluffy, on 2011-November-30, 03:56, said:

.......... I will compete to 3♠ if partner bids 2♠ and RHO 3♦.

WoW...You will compete to 3♠ if pd bids 2♠ over DBL and they bid 3♦ ?

May i ask why would you do that ? Due to your irresistable huge 5-2 ♠ fit ? Or due to your pd who is coming from pass, passed over 2♦ and bid only 2♠ over your DBL ? Due to your super ♠ texture ? Or due to your unexpected extremely wild shape ?

I must be missing something about this hand Gonzalo, but as far as i see it, you just broke every and each principle of partscore competition imo and keep on bidding all by urself just because you have a K extra then a normal opener.

[dake50]

Exactly as fluffy.!
What do you think partner has??

[Fluffy]

MrAce, on 2011-November-30, 23:30, said:

WoW...You will compete to 3♠ if pd bids 2♠ over DBL and they bid 3♦ ?

May i ask why would you do that ? Due to your irresistable huge 5-2 ♠ fit ? Or due to your pd who is coming from pass, passed over 2♦ and bid only 2♠ over your DBL ? Due to your super ♠ texture ? Or due to your unexpected extremely wild shape ?

I must be missing something about this hand Gonzalo, but as far as i see it, you just broke every and each principle of partscore competition imo and keep on bidding all by urself just because you have a K extra then a normal opener.

That´s nothing I said lightly as I use to Timo, I really took my time to consider if I´d bid 3♠ or not, the chances that partner is broke with 3 spades compared to partner having 2 spades are in favour of him having 3.

Why? because partner is short in diamonds after the raise. And partner had 2♥ and 3♣ avaible over my double, yet he picked 2♠. 3♠ could indeed be a disaster, but so would be pass when partner has 3♠ 1♦ and no values. Certainly there are some opponents against whoom I´d rather double than bid 3♠, but on a normal basis I´d go for the push as stupid as it might look.

This is nobody vul MPs, where -50 and -100 normally earns you 60-75% board, and +50/+100 the opposite.

[Fluffy]

my partner has any 0-7 hand without 3 spades in my book, doubling with 6-7 will put you in unmakeable games when we have a hand like this. Anyway I still double, I don´t expect the 4-2 heart fit to make the contract, but all we need is that it scores better than 2♦.

[Cascade]

Cascade, on 2011-November-30, 03:05, said:

Four Card Majors - partner will raise with most hands with three trumps and a few points

MrAce, on 2011-November-30, 23:30, said:

WoW...You will compete to 3♠ if pd bids 2♠ over DBL and they bid 3♦ ?

May i ask why would you do that ? Due to your irresistable huge 5-2 ♠ fit ?

I suspect the chance of partner bidding 2♠ with two spades is close to 0.

[MrAce]

Fluffy, on 2011-December-01, 04:50, said:

That´s nothing I said lightly as I use to Timo, I really took my time to consider if I´d bid 3♠ or not, the chances that partner is broke with 3 spades compared to partner having 2 spades are in favour of him having 3.

Fair enough, i admit you are correct on this one.

Fluffy, on 2011-December-01, 04:54, said:

my partner has any 0-7 hand without 3 spades in my book, doubling with 6-7 will put you in unmakeable games when we have a hand like this. Anyway I still double, I don´t expect the 4-2 heart fit to make the contract, but all we need is that it scores better than 2♦.

I dont mind the double Gonzalo, i am a bit surprised you bidding 3♠ after DBL by yourself. I mean you totally judging and executing by yourself. Pd has 3♠ (agreed if he bids 2♠), pd has short ♦ (umm ok) and pd has some values ? And is this pd not allowed to bid his own hand ?

I mean you usually need to have 9 card fit to bid at 3 level. Neither your trump fit, nor your trump texture seems like good enuf to bid at 3 level. No need to mention pd, coming from pass, having passed 2♦ and bid only 2♠ (note that he doesnt know that you know he has 3 card ♠ from your hand) will bid 3 if he is stiff or void in ♦, no ? Maybe he has xxx ♦, can u say impossible ? Overcaller has 5 of them and other douchebag decided not to sell to 2♠. My point is you are bidding this hand like an unstoppable runaway truck bro Your ♠ texture is a danger sign, it is easier even for the most chicken opponents to DBL with 1-2 trump tricks and a lot of hcps. After all your pd had 3♠ and could not even bid 2♠ over DBL.

No need to mention, as u look at the replies, even doubling with this hand is not clear and not an option by some people, let alone keep on bidding. So by bringing them to 3 ♦ you are 1 level ahead of the players who passed, you have an extra Ace compared to them now, why ruin the good work and go for throat and a top score ? Maybe i am too chicken

[gszes]

I have 4+ defensive tricks and I would very much prefer opps
play at 3 level vs 2 level. I would x mainly because it seems
MP weak to let opps play at the relatively safe 2 level
(especially when their trump suit is breaking evenly).

I will pass whatever p bids as scoring 8 tricks even in a 42
heart fit doesn't seem so far off assuming p has short spades.

Even down 1 is probably a better MP score than opps making 2
or 3 dia.

If opps go to 3d I have done my best and will sit and try to
set. I admit that I would do the same at IMPS becasue there
is very little risk (opps will almost never have a game)
and a decent upside.

[MrAce]

Fluffy, on 2011-December-01, 04:54, said:

my partner has any 0-7 hand without 3 spades in my book, doubling with 6-7 will put you in unmakeable games when we have a hand like this.

See thats another thing, not doubling with 6-7 hcp. Some people do some dont. I agree that it brings us to some no play games, but if my pd is someone like you, who would never stop bidding just incase my pass can have 6-7 hcp and that i didnt DBL due to our agreement, then hell...i prefer ending up in no play games than my pd bailing out telephone numbers when they were about to play and get 110 or 130.

[dake50]

Now distinguish partner's reply when you have
S:A9762
H:AK52
D:6
C:AQ10
which really wants partner's 4xH with S:K to go 4H.