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#1 User is offline   bluecalm 

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Posted 2011-December-06, 10:15



2♦ is mini multi. It's matchpoints.

Do you overcall ? How close is it ? Does it change at imps ?
Opinions vary among players I polled on it, some of them are quite good and hold opposing views. You ?
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Posted 2011-December-06, 10:47

Obvious overcall, in my opinion. Don't forget this disrupts their 2-level bids.
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Posted 2011-December-06, 10:50

If this is a 3C overcall, change my post to the other thread about what a raise to 4C should be.

It isn't, IMO. What it looks like is a preempt over a preempt; and we don't do that.

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Posted 2011-December-06, 11:51

Far easier to overcall as partner is a passed hand. Overcalling in the direct seat should be better than this, but probably would not be able to stop myself.
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Posted 2011-December-06, 11:54

View Postwhereagles, on 2011-December-06, 10:47, said:

Obvious overcall, in my opinion. Don't forget this disrupts their 2-level bids.

Not so obvious to me as I am missing an ace or king that I'd like to have, but I cannot pass this playing MP. So 3♣ and if PD ends up on lead, this could be useful. It is also useful to disrupt the opp's 2-level bids as you've pointed out and perhaps this will result in them erring in a decision to bid game. Of course, by bidding 3♣ I accept the risk of PD's 4 or 5♣ not working out.

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Posted 2011-December-06, 12:28

View Postaguahombre, on 2011-December-06, 10:50, said:

If this is a 3C overcall, change my post to the other thread about what a raise to 4C should be.

It isn't, IMO. What it looks like is a preempt over a preempt; and we don't do that.


An overcall doesn't always have to be constructive. I'm willing to bet this particular 3C is going to cause a lot more trouble for opps than pass :)
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Posted 2011-December-06, 12:46

View Postwhereagles, on 2011-December-06, 10:47, said:

Obvious overcall, in my opinion. Don't forget this disrupts their 2-level bids.


Not so obvious :) May actually disrupt my p more than the ops.
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Posted 2011-December-06, 13:29

Why? He's a passed hand and all. He can hardly do crazy stuff anyway, so why not wreaking some havoc? :)
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Posted 2011-December-07, 03:20

Imo there are more ways to win than to lose by bidding 3♣.
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Posted 2011-December-07, 03:47

View Postwhereagles, on 2011-December-06, 13:29, said:

Why? He's a passed hand and all. He can hardly do crazy stuff anyway, so why not wreaking some havoc? :)

Of course, he can do "crazy stuff". (Except that it isn't crazy. He will just assume you have your bid.)

What do you do when partner bids 3NT?
What do you do when he doubles their 4♥?

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Posted 2011-December-07, 04:50

View PostTrinidad, on 2011-December-07, 03:47, said:

Of course, he can do "crazy stuff". (Except that it isn't crazy. He will just assume you have your bid.)

What do you do when partner bids 3NT?
What do you do when he doubles their 4♥?

Rik

Pass if he bids 3NT. We have 6 tricks, partner has some stoppers, we we'll go 1 down at most (unless extreme breaks).

Pass if he doubles their 4♥, I hope he's not too trigger happy. I suspect he'll be short in ♣ and we'll make at least 2 tricks. If we don't, so be it...
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Posted 2011-December-07, 05:09

I play multi defense against multi and would bid 3♣ playing that (showing ♣ 'preempt').
Not playing that I would pass and bid 3 or 4 ♣ later.
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Posted 2011-December-07, 07:04

Thx Free. You saved me some work replying :)
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Posted 2011-December-07, 08:00

Definitely. 3m overcall is a very strong weapon against multi.
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Posted 2011-December-07, 11:30

3♣ -- let them sort it out. I would have some qualms about bidding if pard wasn't PH...
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Posted 2011-December-07, 14:37

I conveniently have a 2♠ bid here showing an opening with 5+♣ as opposed to 3♣ defensive. (Using Chris Ryall's multi-v-multi, sounds like kgr does the same)


Unlike kgr, I think this hand is still a 2♠ bid even opposite a passed hand.
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Posted 2011-December-07, 15:48

pass, it's not even close
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Posted 2011-December-07, 17:27

View Postpaulg, on 2011-December-06, 11:51, said:

Far easier to overcall as partner is a passed hand.

Not sure I understand this. There are lots of hands less than opening bid on which partner would bid opposite an overcall - so there is no reason to lower the requirements for an overcall just because partner has passed.
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Posted 2011-December-07, 17:30

I passed, my friends who are good at bridge liked 3♣ and one of them in fact did overcall at the table.
As luck has it, partner had: A765 Q983 - J9842 and they could make 4H and we could make 5C.

I was quite surprised, I am even more surprised by opinions on this forum :)
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Posted 2011-December-07, 17:50

Obvious pass. I would not contemplate bidding on this.
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