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response after pd's balancing 1S Your call

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What call do you make

  1. 2D (0 votes [0.00%])

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  2. 2H (20 votes [46.51%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 46.51%

  3. 2S (22 votes [51.16%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 51.16%

  4. 2NT (0 votes [0.00%])

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  5. 3C (0 votes [0.00%])

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  6. something else (1 votes [2.33%] - View)

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#1 User is offline   yaohung 

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Posted 2011-December-12, 01:11



Please select your call. If you are interested in this topic, provide the reason: why and why not.
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Posted 2011-December-12, 03:37

2H WTP
2H is a overbid normally but since opener rebid im going to bid 2S with a lot of weaker hands here, so i need to split my range. If opener had passed i think 2S is enough. I dont believe in doubling and bid with a normal 15 in balancing seat.
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Posted 2011-December-12, 04:55

2S. This is just about the par raise opposite a balancing overcall.
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Posted 2011-December-12, 05:10

The spades are kinda ugly, partner might re-open with a four-card suit. My hearts (and diamonds) seem well placed but, if partner has club values they don't seem well placed. I think I'll underbid 2 in this hand.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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Posted 2011-December-12, 07:09

for a ten count I have a pretty decent hand
hearts sitting behind heart bidder with
rest concentrated in my 4 card dia suit.
There is also the tiny chance our
(admittedly less than robust) spade support
might yield a club ruff. Hard to imagine
not wanting to at least invite p to bid game
and let them decide if the bidding has made
their hand better or worse.

If they balanced light we are no worse off
than we would be if we made a simple raise
buttttttttt if they had a good balance
game is probably a good shot especially
double dummy. After lho pass and rho pass
I think the odds of p having a decent
overcall have increased dramatically.

I vote for 2h
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Posted 2011-December-12, 18:52

Since north pass in the first round,2d response should be a fit showing and better describe call. I am very surprised 2s which is clearly underbid received many votes. 2H still keep the door open for 2S and show 10+ counts which should not be overbid for a passed hander.
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Posted 2011-December-12, 20:24

I found this tough. On the one hand I have a reasonable hand with hearts well placed and fitting honours. Also spade length rates to be on our left on the auction which is quite likely 54. The club shortage rates to be useful. On the other hand lho is like short in hearts and could be ruffing, and the diamonds are not so good with length likely on the left. Also you have three small in the trump suit with is worth a downgrage. Also partner is in the protective position. Partner likely has club legnth under the bidder.

I voted for 2H because I dont think that this shows an amazing hand. I do not subscribe to the borrowed K theory here. If partner has less than an opening hand he has a 2S bid. its less than sensible for him to apply that theory to a simple raise. Also. If partner makes a further invite I can pass. I still have space. All round 2h feels like a sensible choice, despite some negative factors.
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Posted 2011-December-13, 06:18

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2d response should be a fit showing and better describe call.

If you can make a direct overcall of 2D with 7-8 pts i agree. But for most players 1H/2D is a sound overcall so passing and bidding 2D should show 7-10 pts without a S fit IMO. Also for many a fit showing show a 5 card length side suit so that with Ax they have hope for making 5 tricks not 3.
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For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2011-December-13, 07:19

I think a second-round 2 should be natural, showing something like xx AJx KQ10xx xxx.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-December-13, 07:27

What is double here?
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Posted 2011-December-13, 09:18

I have an invitational hand with 3 card fit, 2 wtp.
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Posted 2011-December-13, 09:50

View PostRMB1, on 2011-December-13, 07:27, said:

What is double here?


I think it's 2-5 in the pointed suits, but more like Qx AJx K10xxx xx.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-December-15, 05:14

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I have an invitational hand with 3 card fit, 2♥ wtp.


+1. We have very good values in hearts and clubs. We don't need that much for a game especially with likely spades honors no declarer's right.

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I think it's 2-5 in the pointed suits, but more like Qx AJx K10xxx xx.


Yeah, again +1, but I can imagine doubling with Qx AJxx KTxx xxx. 2 spades are more important than 5 diamonds.
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Posted 2011-December-15, 06:04

X ( double ) Responsive; see for partner 44 in red suit may 3-cards 8-10hcp good in red suit. How you card distribution partners?; If OPP pass after your double. Partner: Pass : Penalty; 2/2: to Play; 2: invite 4 5+ good cards and shingleton; 2NT: invite 4+ cards+ good stopper innot lenght.
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Posted 2011-December-15, 08:18

Those who think 2S is an underbid, remember the hand is actually XXX AJTX QTXX XX. Partner borrowed the diamond King when she balanced, and is keeping it throughout the auction; including to decide whether she will make another move when we raise to 2S.
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Posted 2011-December-15, 08:22

View Postaguahombre, on 2011-December-15, 08:18, said:

Those who think 2S is an underbid, remember the hand is actually XXX AJTX QTXX XX. Partner borrowed the diamond King when she balanced, and is keeping it throughout the auction; including to decide whether she will make another move when we raise to 2S.


I think that second-seat overcalls have been so debased that there's no difference between a second-seat overcall and a fourth-seat overcall, certainly at the one-level. Hence I've stopped lending and borrowing kings.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-December-15, 08:46

View PostRMB1, on 2011-December-13, 07:27, said:

What is double here?


The same if RHO would have bid 2 - penalty.

Neither penalty nor responsive are anything near universal and for many partnerships, the definition might fall under its metarules.
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Posted 2011-December-15, 08:57

View Postgnasher, on 2011-December-15, 08:22, said:

I think that second-seat overcalls have been so debased that there's no difference between a second-seat overcall and a fourth-seat overcall, certainly at the one-level. Hence I've stopped lending and borrowing kings.

That is one approach; the other is not to debase 2nd-seat overcalls. So, we just have different contexts. Either 2S or 2H is best, depending on which of us is choosing.

Actually, it seems like the 2nd seat doubles are the really debased calls which would lead to stopping the borrow/lend thing.
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Posted 2011-December-15, 09:01

BTW, this looks like a WTP 2 call.
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Posted 2011-December-15, 09:41

View Postgnasher, on 2011-December-15, 08:22, said:

I think that second-seat overcalls have been so debased that there's no difference between a second-seat overcall and a fourth-seat overcall, certainly at the one-level. Hence I've stopped lending and borrowing kings.

Would you consider this hand good enough to UCB in response to a debased second-seat one-level overcall?
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