[jillybean]

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What's your style here?

[Cyberyeti]

 jillybean, on 2011-December-16, 17:12, said:

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What's your style here?

I open 1♠ wtp

[Flameous]

I prefer 2♠, not that it would be too weak or anything for 1♠ opening, I just rather put some pressure on opps.

[aguahombre]

IMHO, this is not a style question; rather a judgement question. It looks like a 1S bid to me, and a lot better 1-bid than many hands with more HCP. Putting pressure on the opponents is nice; but we put partner out of the picture with a hand which should be accepting limit raises.

[masse24]

 aguahombre, on 2011-December-16, 17:41, said:

IMHO, this is not a style question; rather a judgement question. It looks like a 1S bid to me, and a lot better 1-bid than many hands with more HCP.

Ditto

[mike777]

1s planning on rebidding 2s not 2d.

[Flameous]

Hmm, must admit I somehow though it was Vul versus not, when my W2s somewhat overlap with 1 lvl openings. All vul this is indeed a bit too strong.

[wyman]

When considering a weak 2, I ask if we can make game opposite a partner with the right minimum opener. Here, the answer is a resounding yes, so I don't preempt.

Whether to pass or open 1S is a style question, and I don't have a strong opinion either way. (edit: but I would open it 1S at the table)

[jillybean]

 Flameous, on 2011-December-16, 18:04, said:

Hmm, must admit I somehow though it was Vul versus not, when my W2s somewhat overlap with 1 lvl openings. All vul this is indeed a bit too strong.

You were correct; vulnerable , 1st seat.

[Fluffy]

not sure what I'd do, 1♠, 2♠ and 3♠ all sound reasonable, KQ9xxx is perhaps not strong enough for the 3 level, and the hand has too much potential for only 2♠, I would go with 1♠, but its close

[Siegmund]

I must be getting old. Looks like an ordinary maximum 2S to me.

Opening 1S will work fine as long as we wind up in a spade contract, but if it goes 1S-1N-2S-2N/3m, or we find ourselves in a misfit any of several other ways, this hand will be a high-card disappointment though it has nice playing strength in spades.

[mike777]

 Siegmund, on 2011-December-16, 18:47, said:

I must be getting old. Looks like an ordinary maximum 2S to me.

Opening 1S will work fine as long as we wind up in a spade contract, but if it goes 1S-1N-2S-2N/3m, or we find ourselves in a misfit any of several other ways, this hand will be a high-card disappointment though it has nice playing strength in spades.

good point to bring up.

If you open 1s you must choose live with playing in 2nt or 3c misfit or pard passes 2s. that is the trade off for opening these type of hands. You hope to gain more often, much more often than not but....

In your example it looks like either way you get to play in 2s as an option.

[jillybean]

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3♠Ogust good hand, good suit

Here's the full hand. Getting up in years, I chose to open 2♠ and I'm still not sure why my partner downgraded their
hand after Ogust query.

[aguahombre]

 jillybean, on 2011-December-16, 21:36, said:

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3♠Ogust good hand, good suit

Here's the full hand. Getting up in years, I chose to open 2♠ and I'm still not sure why my partner downgraded their
hand after Ogust query.

Not sure why partner even bid 2NT with only 13 dummy points opposite a weak 2.

[Hanoi5]

Not sure why partner would bid 2NT with 4-card support.

I'd open 1♠ though.

[neilkaz]

 jillybean, on 2011-December-16, 21:36, said:

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3♠Ogust good hand, good suit

Here's the full hand. Getting up in years, I chose to open 2♠ and I'm still not sure why my partner downgraded their
hand after Ogust query.

Bidding Ogust and then hearing good hand/good suit and then not carrying seems very silly and if this is a serious partner, I'd have a discussion.

As for your opening, I have no problems with it but I somewhat prefer the more modern style of 1♠. However that might depend on whom as I was playing with, but most of my partners who'd open 2♠ with this would also put me to game vul at IMPs if I opened 2.

Anyhow if this is a vote, cast mine for 1♠ with the 6241 and 2QT and decent defence.

.. neilkaz ..

[Mbodell]

I'd guess partner thought you were playing feature. If you bid 2nt with the S hand and hear good good you need to go to game, one would think. I mean maybe it was a mini-psych trying to keep the opps out of the auction?

But if you opened 2♠ with me, I'd pass with the South hand. 8 loser hands opposite weak 2's usually make just 8 tricks.

[Zelandakh]

I cannot imagine not opening 1S here unless playing super-solid openings.

[daveharty]

 wyman, on 2011-December-16, 18:07, said:

Whether to pass or open 1S is a style question, and I don't have a strong opinion either way. (edit: but I would open it 1S at the table)

Only if you play a style where there is a "no-man's land" of hands that can be passed between 1S and 2S, which I personally hate. For me the OP's hand is a choice between 1S and 2S; I would never consider pass. I would usually open 1S unless my partner was really into "old school" weak 2s, in which case this looks like an obvious 2S.

[jmcw]

 aguahombre, on 2011-December-16, 17:41, said:

IMHO, this is not a style question; rather a judgement question. It looks like a 1S bid to me, and a lot better 1-bid than many hands with more HCP. Putting pressure on the opponents is nice; but we put partner out of the picture with a hand which should be accepting limit raises.

Perhaps even a question of system. This hand likely a disappointment when p forces to game without a fit.
As far as accepting opposite a limit, far from clear to me that it would be the winning call. Admittedly I would likely accept at IMPS, but I'd be a passer at MP.

 Zelandakh, on 2011-December-17, 07:28, said:

I cannot imagine not opening 1S here unless playing super-solid openings.

I don't see this as a supersolid opening. When did 10 points become that. I maintain this hand will disappoint whenever a ♠ fit doesn't exist

 daveharty, on 2011-December-17, 07:57, said:

Only if you play a style where there is a "no-man's land" of hands that can be passed between 1S and 2S, which I personally hate. For me the OP's hand is a choice between 1S and 2S; I would never consider pass. I would usually open 1S unless my partner was really into "old school" weak 2s, in which case this looks like an obvious 2S.

Just about everyone I play F2F marks their W2's as 5 to 10. It's a good 10, but that ♥J needs to be a ♠ to convince me its a 1♠ opener.