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GIB has a bidding misunderstanding with ... GIB?
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Posted 2012-March-10, 05:13
If no one comes from the future to stop you from doing it then how bad a decision could it really be?
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Posted 2012-March-10, 10:48
I am sure someone will say it depends on the bots being used, if old style bots what their settings are etc.
GIB IS GIB.....I tend to play against GIBs on a monthly basis and there is a difference on wether I use GIBs by flash page vs old style GIB install program......if you look at all results especially on results from the main room where GIB is being played the results are pretty amazing at times.
But if you play in a GIB robot game like ACBL the results are more reliable, though I dont like the idea of always having the best hand at the table.
GIB IS GIB.....I tend to play against GIBs on a monthly basis and there is a difference on wether I use GIBs by flash page vs old style GIB install program......if you look at all results especially on results from the main room where GIB is being played the results are pretty amazing at times.
But if you play in a GIB robot game like ACBL the results are more reliable, though I dont like the idea of always having the best hand at the table.
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Posted 2012-March-13, 03:10
I was able to reproduce this with the advanced robots. The bidding database has the following comment:
; don't run back to a suit in which they have already doubled you unless the
; combined minimum length you know of is greater in the old suit (and at least
; 7) and you have at least one more card in it than already known
GIB interpreted South's double as penalty (I suspect he meant it as support, although most don't play support doubles over 2♠, and GIB has no way of knowing what he meant). Since West didn't meet the criteria to go back to ♠, and it didn't have anywhere else to run, it defaulted to passing.
; don't run back to a suit in which they have already doubled you unless the
; combined minimum length you know of is greater in the old suit (and at least
; 7) and you have at least one more card in it than already known
GIB interpreted South's double as penalty (I suspect he meant it as support, although most don't play support doubles over 2♠, and GIB has no way of knowing what he meant). Since West didn't meet the criteria to go back to ♠, and it didn't have anywhere else to run, it defaulted to passing.
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Posted 2012-March-13, 03:13
So to mess with the bots I just need to stick in a penalty double of their suit at a low level, and then they'll never "run" back there?
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Posted 2012-March-13, 06:44
barmar, on 2012-March-13, 03:10, said:
I was able to reproduce this with the advanced robots. The bidding database has the following comment:
; don't run back to a suit in which they have already doubled you unless the
; combined minimum length you know of is greater in the old suit (and at least
; 7) and you have at least one more card in it than already known
GIB interpreted South's double as penalty (I suspect he meant it as support, although most don't play support doubles over 2♠, and GIB has no way of knowing what he meant). Since West didn't meet the criteria to go back to ♠, and it didn't have anywhere else to run, it defaulted to passing.
; don't run back to a suit in which they have already doubled you unless the
; combined minimum length you know of is greater in the old suit (and at least
; 7) and you have at least one more card in it than already known
GIB interpreted South's double as penalty (I suspect he meant it as support, although most don't play support doubles over 2♠, and GIB has no way of knowing what he meant). Since West didn't meet the criteria to go back to ♠, and it didn't have anywhere else to run, it defaulted to passing.
So why have that cue bid- remove it for those circumstances to reduce GIB confustion.
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Posted 2012-March-13, 15:01
cloa513, on 2012-March-13, 06:44, said:
So why have that cue bid- remove it for those circumstances to reduce GIB confustion.
Good point. If South makes a penalty double, it should redouble if it has a good raise -- why make a bid that forces the next level?
We don't currently have a meaning for this redouble, so it should be possible to add this.
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