[billw55]

 Bbradley62, on 2012-April-05, 07:07, said:

You'd be in a very small minority of forum posters if you passed.

fixed

[wank]

forum posters or not, passing 1♣ is truly truly truly ridiculous.


you have a lot of playing strength if you find a fit. you really don't need much to make 4♥. on the other hand you have a singleton club and partner may have only 2 or 3 depending on your methods. you could be going down in 1♣ with a slam on in a red suit.

[billw55]

 wank, on 2012-April-05, 08:18, said:

forum posters or not, passing 1♣ is truly truly truly ridiculous.

you have a lot of playing strength if you find a fit. you really don't need much to make 4♥. on the other hand you have a singleton club and partner may have only 2 or 3 depending on your methods. you could be going down in 1♣ with a slam on in a red suit.

I agree and yet, we are both forum posters. I know it is silly but there are still quite a few over-conservative players out there who will not open without 13 points and will not respond without 6 points, in club games at least.

[ArtK78]

 wank, on 2012-April-05, 08:18, said:

forum posters or not, passing 1♣ is truly truly truly ridiculous.


you have a lot of playing strength if you find a fit. you really don't need much to make 4♥. on the other hand you have a singleton club and partner may have only 2 or 3 depending on your methods. you could be going down in 1♣ with a slam on in a red suit.

I agree with everything that you said except for "you really don't need much to make 4♥." You need alot to make 4♥ - a fit and fitting values. True, you might make 4♥ opposite as little as xxx AQx AKx xxxx, but then your opps will make quite a bit also - possibly 10 tricks in spades (certainly 9 tricks).

Still, it is absolutely clear to bid 1♥ in an attempt to improve the contract and, possibly, if partner has a good hand with fitting values, bid and make game in a red suit.

[mike777]

agree north should pass 3c

[BillPatch]

 wank, on 2012-April-05, 08:18, said:

forum posters or not, passing 1♣ is truly truly truly ridiculous.

I agree that passing 1♣is ridiculous, but the superlatives are an
overbid. Compared to the 3♦rebid, a pass of 1♣is quite
sane. For the Rueful Rabbit, momma poppa bridge is quite an improvement.

By the way, my to-do list includes adjusting Jack 5.0 to avoid these
ridiculous passes. It still is way better than Bridge Baron or GIB and
I suspect many readers of these boards.

[bftboy]

I fully understand and accept that one hand doesn't prove anything, but pass was the winner here as opps will balance and end up in 2♠, down 1 after a ♣ lead and ruff. It may suggest, tho, that bidding isn't as automatic as it appears. I'm not that conservative, and I'd certainly bid 1♥ here if the suit was a little better, or longer. The real risk isn't missing a very unlikely game, it's going -200 or -300 in 1♣ when opps don't have a game, and that could certainly happen. I'm just more pessimistic than most of you that responding here will be a long-run winning action.