The auction is correct, MP.
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#1
Posted 2012-April-25, 08:46
The auction is correct, MP.
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
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"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
#2
Posted 2012-April-25, 08:50
West, for not just leading the ♦K. Why is he saving after the opps have a stupid auction?
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#3
Posted 2012-April-25, 08:58
One of the purposes of the 3♠ bid is to make the opponents have the last guess. They guessed wrong and you didn't take advantage of their bad guess.
(I am assuming that you are EW)
Actually, they guessed right. 4♥ undoubled goes down 1 which beats 3♠ making. So the only way you are going to get a good score is by doubling 4♥.
Even if you don't double 4♥ at least you will go plus. I don't understand the rationale for bidding 4♠. Unless 4♠ is making, you are clearly getting a bad result by bidding again. On the auction, it is reasonable to conclude that 4♥ will not be a normal contract. If they make and you don't, you are just screwed.
(I am assuming that you are EW)
Actually, they guessed right. 4♥ undoubled goes down 1 which beats 3♠ making. So the only way you are going to get a good score is by doubling 4♥.
Even if you don't double 4♥ at least you will go plus. I don't understand the rationale for bidding 4♠. Unless 4♠ is making, you are clearly getting a bad result by bidding again. On the auction, it is reasonable to conclude that 4♥ will not be a normal contract. If they make and you don't, you are just screwed.
#4
Posted 2012-April-25, 09:25
NS had an illogical auction, and then West decided that NS either knew what they were doing (and they didn't) or that they had guessed correctly (which, in a sense, they had since 4♥ undoubled is a good NS score).
N bid only 2♥....he didn't even show a limit raise....and then he bid game over 3♠. This is the kind of action that is, unfortunately, often preceded by a break in tempo by S, in which case the director should roll it back.
Assuming that there was no BIT, then N made a bad bridge bid and now West has to guess what's going on. Given that partner made a (heavy) preemptive raise, W can be forgiven for thinking that 4♥ is cold, so I think W was simply in a difficult position.
I don't like the preemptive 3♠ with a side A...2♠, intending to compete to 3♠ would be my (slightly) preferred course of action. And I suspect it would have worked here.....S and W pass, N bids 3♥, E bids 3♠ and NS pass, having pushed EW to the 3 level.
So some blame to E for bidding 3♠, and a lot of responsibility to N for bad bridge, and sympathy to W for an unlucky guess. Don't get me wrong....3♠ is not an egregious error.....to my mind it is a mild mis-evaluation, but white v red, my weak bids are weak indeed, and this 3♠ wasn't.
N bid only 2♥....he didn't even show a limit raise....and then he bid game over 3♠. This is the kind of action that is, unfortunately, often preceded by a break in tempo by S, in which case the director should roll it back.
Assuming that there was no BIT, then N made a bad bridge bid and now West has to guess what's going on. Given that partner made a (heavy) preemptive raise, W can be forgiven for thinking that 4♥ is cold, so I think W was simply in a difficult position.
I don't like the preemptive 3♠ with a side A...2♠, intending to compete to 3♠ would be my (slightly) preferred course of action. And I suspect it would have worked here.....S and W pass, N bids 3♥, E bids 3♠ and NS pass, having pushed EW to the 3 level.
So some blame to E for bidding 3♠, and a lot of responsibility to N for bad bridge, and sympathy to W for an unlucky guess. Don't get me wrong....3♠ is not an egregious error.....to my mind it is a mild mis-evaluation, but white v red, my weak bids are weak indeed, and this 3♠ wasn't.
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#5
Posted 2012-April-25, 09:30
Equal blame to West and South if they had a chance to pair up and let East and North be partners.
Edited direction wise, my usual E/W confusion.
Edited direction wise, my usual E/W confusion.
This post has been edited by aguahombre: 2012-April-25, 09:35
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#6
Posted 2012-April-26, 02:00
mikeh, on 2012-April-25, 09:25, said:
I don't like the preemptive 3♠ with a side A...2♠, intending to compete to 3♠ would be my (slightly) preferred course of action. And I suspect it would have worked here.....S and W pass, N bids 3♥, E bids 3♠ and NS pass, having pushed EW to the 3 level.
So some blame to E for bidding 3♠, and a lot of responsibility to N for bad bridge, and sympathy to W for an unlucky guess. Don't get me wrong....3♠ is not an egregious error.....to my mind it is a mild mis-evaluation, but white v red, my weak bids are weak indeed, and this 3♠ wasn't.
So some blame to E for bidding 3♠, and a lot of responsibility to N for bad bridge, and sympathy to W for an unlucky guess. Don't get me wrong....3♠ is not an egregious error.....to my mind it is a mild mis-evaluation, but white v red, my weak bids are weak indeed, and this 3♠ wasn't.
I'm East here and my first thought was wondering what the heck my partner was doing bidding 4♠ after 2♥ - 4♥ but now understanding that I had a better bid makes this hand much more useful.
fwiw there was no BIT.
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
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