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Posted 2012-April-26, 01:46
56% game tonight , here's one interesting hand I don't think we did so well on....
MP, 3♣ puppet, what is your plan?
MP, 3♣ puppet, what is your plan?
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
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Posted 2012-April-26, 06:56
pass? Anything could be right. I might even try a speculative 5C playing imps.
You could try 3NT just to enjoy the range of looks on partner's face when he shows up with ♣KQ doubleton, lol.
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You could try 3NT just to enjoy the range of looks on partner's face when he shows up with ♣KQ doubleton, lol.
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Posted 2012-April-26, 12:13
If there's a way you can get partner to play in 4♣, then that's what I would do. Otherwise, I am passing.
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Posted 2012-April-26, 12:21
I'd bid 3C-3N. Even with no spots, I have J10, J10987x, and 109xx; something has to be useful. And if partner has 4+ spades, I want to be in game in spades. I don't have a way to play 4C, but I'm willing to bump 2N to 3 in hopes of finding 4S.
If this is a 2N-or-5C hand, I'm afraid I'm getting it wrong.
If this is a 2N-or-5C hand, I'm afraid I'm getting it wrong.
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Posted 2012-April-26, 13:31
This may be the first (and perhaps the last) hand I have seen where I want to play in 4♣ opposite a 2NT opening.
I play 4 suit transfers over 2NT with my favorite partner, so I could bid 3♠ as a transfer to clubs. He would bid 3NT with a holding suggesting that he could run the suit, and 4♣ otherwise. If he bid 3NT, I could pass with some reasonable hope of making 3NT. Otherwise, 4♣ seems right.
We might miss a 4-4 (or even a 5-4) spade fit on this auction, but this is matchpoints, so you should go with the action that is more likely to succeed.
I play 4 suit transfers over 2NT with my favorite partner, so I could bid 3♠ as a transfer to clubs. He would bid 3NT with a holding suggesting that he could run the suit, and 4♣ otherwise. If he bid 3NT, I could pass with some reasonable hope of making 3NT. Otherwise, 4♣ seems right.
We might miss a 4-4 (or even a 5-4) spade fit on this auction, but this is matchpoints, so you should go with the action that is more likely to succeed.
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Posted 2012-April-26, 14:32
A few years ago I had an opponent who found the solution for this hand. (He had basically the same hand but with the minors reversed).
Over 1NT, they played 2♠ as a relay to 3♣ as a weak get-out in either minor. So over partner's 2NT opener he bid 2♠.
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He changed his call to 3♦, barring his partner. It went all pass and he went down one. 2NT would have gone down one or two, depending on my opening lead. I'm terrible on opening lead, so being able to get out in 3♦ was probably a wash with just passing out 2NT.
Over 1NT, they played 2♠ as a relay to 3♣ as a weak get-out in either minor. So over partner's 2NT opener he bid 2♠.
Director!
He changed his call to 3♦, barring his partner. It went all pass and he went down one. 2NT would have gone down one or two, depending on my opening lead. I'm terrible on opening lead, so being able to get out in 3♦ was probably a wash with just passing out 2NT.
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Posted 2012-April-26, 15:25
Coelacanth, on 2012-April-26, 14:32, said:
A few years ago I had an opponent who found the solution for this hand. (He had basically the same hand but with the minors reversed).
Over 1NT, they played 2♠ as a relay to 3♣ as a weak get-out in either minor. So over partner's 2NT opener he bid 2♠.
Director!
He changed his call to 3♦, barring his partner. It went all pass and he went down one. 2NT would have gone down one or two, depending on my opening lead. I'm terrible on opening lead, so being able to get out in 3♦ was probably a wash with just passing out 2NT.
Over 1NT, they played 2♠ as a relay to 3♣ as a weak get-out in either minor. So over partner's 2NT opener he bid 2♠.
Director!
He changed his call to 3♦, barring his partner. It went all pass and he went down one. 2NT would have gone down one or two, depending on my opening lead. I'm terrible on opening lead, so being able to get out in 3♦ was probably a wash with just passing out 2NT.
That would be funny if this sort of thing didn't often advantage the offending side, a fact that is often overlooked.
Hopefuly you called the director back to review the hand, it sounds like they got to a contract which would have been impossible to reach without the insufficent bid.
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
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Posted 2012-April-26, 15:30
Here's the full hand.
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
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Posted 2012-April-26, 15:55
If you knew you were getting a heart lead in 3N it's a horrible contract, pretty much requiring a stiff K♣ or a miracle in the heart suit. When E leads his 5 card spade suit and K♣ drops it's wonderful.
5♣ is bad by S, but if you have some way of engineering it to be by N is not the worst spot in the world. Would probably need you to be playing 2N-3N not to play to do this.
5♣ is bad by S, but if you have some way of engineering it to be by N is not the worst spot in the world. Would probably need you to be playing 2N-3N not to play to do this.
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