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Poll: Oh no you didn't! (29 member(s) have cast votes)

What's your call?

  1. pass (1 votes [3.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

  2. 2D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 2H (21 votes [72.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 72.41%

  4. 2S (7 votes [24.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.14%

  5. 2NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 3D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   daveharty 

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Posted 2012-September-02, 15:46



Imps. You are playing 2/1 with standard accessories, including 4SF.
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Posted 2012-September-02, 17:27

common problem


I will try 2h. with less I would pass.
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Posted 2012-September-02, 22:06

2h - simple preference is the default action if you have nothing better to do. If you always raise with 3 card support, then you know pard does not have 12-14 with 3 card spade support, and if he has about 15-17 with 3 card support he will bid 2s after your simple preference.
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Posted 2012-September-03, 00:12

2H. What else?
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Posted 2012-September-03, 03:41

2H. It's about a king short of 2D.

Pass isn't a good idea when holding 8 HCP because partner can have 17-18 (depending on how strong you play your jump-shifts as opener). But with less I think I would pass like mike777 suggested, and hope partner can score two heart ruffs.

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Posted 2012-September-03, 03:47

Mickyb convinced me to play that 2C shows 11-15, but I would still never consider passing with hand. 2H seemed best, and if I was prohibited to bid hearts then I'd bid 2S, which would be normal on AQ10xx x Qxxxx xx.
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Posted 2012-September-03, 09:03

Okay, 2♥ seems normal, that's what I bid at the table. The auction continues (pass)-3♣-(pass) back to you. What now?
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Posted 2012-September-03, 09:10

Now pass.
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Posted 2012-September-03, 09:21

Initially, agree easy 2♥, may not like it much but no alternative.

Some of this depends on style (how readily you pass 2♣), how much in the way of extra values 3♣ shows in this auction and what 1♥-1♠-3♣ would have shown.

To me, this is how you bid a 1525 18 count as we very rarely pass 2♣, but many people would bid 3♣ on that. We bid 3♣ on the 6-5 just above minimum that some people would use this auction for.

The hand is a bad misfit, but the question is just how many points can we have between us ? If the answer is no more than 24, I pass, if 25-26 is possible (and with the misfit I may well need 26), I need to bid 3N vul at IMPS.
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Posted 2012-September-03, 13:10

View PostCyberyeti, on 2012-September-03, 09:21, said:

Some of this depends on style (how readily you pass 2♣), how much in the way of extra values 3♣ shows in this auction and what 1♥-1♠-3♣ would have shown.


This is clearly the crux of the problem, I don't skimp on jump shifts so for me this auction could show a hand right up to "just shy of a game-force." But I don't have much more than a vague sense of how MUCH extra opener should have to bid on over the preference.
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Posted 2012-September-03, 16:37

The 3♣ bid shows extras but modest ones. Given the extent of the misfit we have found a home.

Aunt Alice could (might?) defeat 3nt if we bid it on this auction.
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