[jillybean]

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White vs. Red

How do you play this double, have you discussed it or is it just GBK?
Do you sit for it?

[CSGibson]

It should be extra values, no clear direction (ie, cooperative). A hand that is 5-2-3-3 with about 11 HCPs would be perfect. I would sit.

[jmcw]

Partner is in the pass out seat and is unwilling to allow 2♦ to sit.
The Double says do something intelligent Partner. I do not have a trap pass of 2♦ so I'm not sitting, and I cannot support ♠.
What's left 2♥,3♣, or NT. Partner's X initially suggests ♣ as a place to play, so that's my bid.
3♣, no real 2nd choice at IMPs, but I would consider passing at MP's

[quiddity]

It is takeout / reopening for me. I don't think it promises diamond length and I wouldn't consider passing it here.

[CSGibson]

quiddity, on 2012-September-16, 16:07, said:

It is takeout / reopening for me. I don't think it promises diamond length and I wouldn't consider passing it here.

take-out meaning...? Clubs? With what range of shapes would you expect partner to make this double?

[aguahombre]

CSGibson, on 2012-September-16, 15:58, said:

It should be extra values, no clear direction (ie, cooperative). A hand that is 5-2-3-3 with about 11 HCPs would be perfect. I would sit.

That works. With the same distribution and fewer points, responder would rebalance 2H. With fewer points and, say, 4-1-2-6 we pay off (unless we can use 2NT as GB). Nothing is perfect, but to just declare it takeout and then take it out with the opening given seems against the likely possibilities.

[ggwhiz]

I'm leaing the 2♠ and licking my chops.

The opps step into a live auction RED and partner has expressed doubt (in them). That shows a 10 count at least and their trump fit is more than suspect given what I have.

Playing this double as pure takeout is leading with your chin in that you give them licence to steal.

[quiddity]

CSGibson, on 2012-September-16, 17:45, said:

take-out meaning...? Clubs? With what range of shapes would you expect partner to make this double?

5224 for example. Or what about a 5125 game force? If 3C is nonforcing then a good hand with clubs has to cuebid or double.
However, when I made the first comment I thought the vul was w/w based on the diagram. Passing is much more attractive when the opps are red.

[SteveMoe]

Do you play support doubles? If so, opener has either a weak hand and 0-2 ♠ cards or a penalty pass of ♦. North's double in this context can be either cards or protecting a penalty pass by opener - however it must deny a ♥ fit and show values to play safely at the 3 level (11 +). With shortness in each other's suit, passing seems obvious. Expect Responder to have at least 2 ♦ cards. We do not have a fit and we can take 2♦ down. If partner wanted to play 3N doubting a stopper in ♦, they can Q-bid.

With Chris G on this one.

[ahydra]

I play this as takeout - probably more GBK than actual discussion. Something like 5224 with 10+ HCP.

As to whether to sit the X... at MPs I would hoping for 200 vs a partscore or 500 vs a game. But at imps I think we should just go for the game (I'd bid 3C). This is probably skewed by me playing 4cM where partner may yet have three hearts.

ahydra

[CSGibson]

quiddity, on 2012-September-16, 21:24, said:

5224 for example. Or what about a 5125 game force? If 3C is nonforcing then a good hand with clubs has to cuebid or double.
However, when I made the first comment I thought the vul was w/w based on the diagram. Passing is much more attractive when the opps are red.

3C would be forcing without special agreements to the contrary.

[quiddity]

CSGibson, on 2012-September-17, 00:48, said:

3C would be forcing without special agreements to the contrary.

Really?! Weird, I always assumed the opposite.

[han]

Double is competitive, 5224 is a common shape for partner. I would bid 2H.

[gordontd]

quiddity, on 2012-September-16, 21:24, said:

If 3C is nonforcing then a good hand with clubs has to cuebid or double.

That's why 3C is forcing.

[Codo]

2 ♥ will be my obvious choice too, 3 ♣ a very distant second choice which I had choosen with very weak hearts and good clubs. I play the double as Han does.

[jillybean]

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My (pickup) partner thought the double was purely penalty and left it in. +1100 tyvm.
I was north and at any other vulnerability I bid, not double but this worked out very nicely.

[billw55]

jillybean, on 2012-September-17, 08:25, said:

My (pickup) partner thought the double was purely penalty and left it in. +1100 tyvm.
I was north and at any other vulnerability I bid, not double but this worked out very nicely.

Quite right about the vul. You needed all 1100 since 6♥ looks good.

That said, I love it when bids like this 2♦ get what they deserve. Well done.

[jmcw]

jillybean, on 2012-September-17, 08:25, said:

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My (pickup) partner thought the double was purely penalty and left it in. +1100 tyvm.
I was north and at any other vulnerability I bid, not double but this worked out very nicely.

Yes you were quite lucky. Why not a simple cue of 3♦ in the pass out seat with the N cards?, makes getting to 6♥ a likely outcome.
On the bright side, I love penalizing dumb bids...East is out to lunch.

[CSGibson]

Look how convoluted this auction is getting with simple interference. What if you had taken out to 2♥ or 3♣? 3♥ wouldn't be forcing, so you have to cue-bid, and then...Its really hard to unwind enough to agree hearts, sort out the slam potential, and discover the diamond control situation.

It may look counter-intuitive, but it's probably better to start 2♣ on this auction and then agree hearts at the cheapest level if you are not playing strong jump shifts.

[broze]

Nice topic, but I swear half the time I have no idea what's going on in these forums because I suck at acronyms apparently. What's GBK? DSIP?