[Free]

Recently someone told me he didn't like the standard 1430 or 0314 responses after exclusion blackwood. Instead he prefers to respond even or odd. I haven't thought this through, but it may have some merit (especially if the auction is already quite high). Also, in many cases you can still ask for the trump Q. Your opinions and thoughts?

[blackshoe]

"I'm tryin' ta think, but nothin's happenin'!" -- Curly Joe Howard

[steve2005]

even or odd just asking for a mess-up where your not sure how many KC's. if you don't have room to get the answer u need, sign-off or blast to final contract.

[madongjun]

Even or odd no better than standard 1430 or 0314,Meanwhile,Standard 1430 or 0314 no better than even or odd,It's a habit to take time.

[32519]

With either method you have no wriggle room when ♥ is the agreed trump suit and ♦ is the void suit. More often than not you are committed to level 6. With ♠ as the agreed trump suit and ♣ as the void suit, both methods should work equally well.

[lipeng2076]

i prefers to respond even or odd economically

[Free]

steve2005, on 2012-December-07, 16:44, said:

even or odd just asking for a mess-up where your not sure how many KC's.

Yes and no. The thing is, when responder has 2 or 3 keycards you (usually) want to be in slam. Why else would someone start an exclusion sequence? So responder can 'zoom' when he has more than 1 keycard.

[lycier]

Normal exclusion blackwood is 0123,if you don't like it, you can play Exclusion RKC(0314) or Exclusion 1430.

[gwnn]

I learned at some point that 0 1 2 3 4 is best as sometimes it's tricky to tell 0 from 3 (much more often than in RKC). Even/odd is a step in the wrong direction IMO, although I'm not sure whether 0314 is really inferior to 01234.

[Cyberyeti]

It depends on how you use your exclusion and at what level, ours most normally occurs at the 4 level so 0314 is fine, if you tend to use it at the 5 level, you have less space, so even/odd may be better.

eg for us:

1♠-4♦ is exclusion but with 4♠ to show a minimum over which 4N is exclusion again, this means you have plenty of space.

If you have to bid 1♠-2N-3♠-5♦ as exclusion then you might want to play odd/even.

[jh51]

gwnn, on 2012-December-18, 06:07, said:

I learned at some point that 0 1 2 3 4 is best as sometimes it's tricky to tell 0 from 3 (much more often than in RKC). Even/odd is a step in the wrong direction IMO, although I'm not sure whether 0314 is really inferior to 01234.

Kanter recommends 012wo2w3 and notes that 3 is rare. One really has to wonder about 4 since that means the asker has a void and no key cards.

[Codo]

gwnn, on 2012-December-18, 06:07, said:

I learned at some point that 0 1 2 3 4 is best as sometimes it's tricky to tell 0 from 3 (much more often than in RKC). Even/odd is a step in the wrong direction IMO, although I'm not sure whether 0314 is really inferior to 01234.

Are you serious?

01234 is by far inferior to RCKB. If you really face a descission where you are not sure, how many KCS partner holds, there is a quite simple solution...

[aguahombre]

Exclusion at a prohibitive level can often be avoided. The player planning to take over can choose HOW she sets trumps. Setting them via splinter, then using your normal RKC bid (KB or 4N) is exclusion. Setting trumps via (say) J2N and then using your RKC is regular.

In cases where exclusion cannot be planned in advance, we could agree to explore slams without that toy.

Do not conclude that our splinters always show voids; only those splinters where we launch immediately thereafter.

1S-4D
4S-4N=exlusion.

1S-2N
Any-4N=Reg RKC (Responder might well have a stiff somewhere, but didn't knee jerk a splinter bid because she intended to take over from the outset.)

[PhilKing]

Gunnar Hallberg explained to me recently why 0,1,2,3 was better, but I have no recollection why (I lost concentration at "in Stockholm in 1972 ...").

If someone can show me any hand in the history of the game where it was not OK just to keep my responses the same, I would be interested.

[lalldonn]

jh51, on 2012-December-19, 16:17, said:

Kanter recommends 012wo2w3 and notes that 3 is rare. One really has to wonder about 4 since that means the asker has a void and no key cards.

No way I had no idea, I literally thought of that like 2 days ago and I was about to post it. Obviously 30-14 is better than 14-30 since partner pretty much always wants to bid slam opposite 1, but I can't remember ever having 3 in my life so I'm sure 0-1-1-2-2 is even better.

[gwnn]

Codo, on 2012-December-20, 02:12, said:

Are you serious?

01234 is by far inferior to RCKB. If you really face a descission where you are not sure, how many KCS partner holds, there is a quite simple solution...

what is RCKB? do you mean 0314 exclusion?

ah 01122 sounds quite interesting.

[mgoetze]

gwnn, on 2012-December-18, 06:07, said:

I learned at some point that 0 1 2 3 4 is best as sometimes it's tricky to tell 0 from 3 (much more often than in RKC).

If you were hoping for 3 and you got 0 you're kind of screwed anyway, aren't you?

[Zelandakh]

mgoetze, on 2013-January-03, 17:40, said:

If you were hoping for 3 and you got 0 you're kind of screwed anyway, aren't you?

One down is good bridge (so I am told).

[blackshoe]

Yeah, but not on every board!

[Fluffy]

even odd when responder is wide ranged neccesarilly (void honnors are useless) is certainly horrible. 012233 looks right to me, maybe 011233 is even better