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This was our team-mates auction, which lost a bucket load at the EBU autumn congress.
My partner and I were not impressed by this result. Who was most to blame?
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Played in game, grand is cold
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Posted 2013-October-21, 06:38
This was our team-mates auction, which lost a bucket load at the EBU autumn congress.
My partner and I were not impressed by this result. Who was most to blame?
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Posted 2013-October-21, 06:55
Whoever described it as a cold grand in the post-mortem is most to blame.
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Posted 2013-October-21, 06:57
OK, but on the layout of the cards 7D was almost impossible not to make.
Either way you want to be in 6 at least.
Either way you want to be in 6 at least.
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Posted 2013-October-21, 06:58
South has real support for north's first suit and a good fragment in the second. 3♥ conceals it all.
Even after 3♥, north could bid 4♣, if you can still stop in 4NT on a misfit.
But I think mostly south.
Even after 3♥, north could bid 4♣, if you can still stop in 4NT on a misfit.
But I think mostly south.
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Posted 2013-October-21, 07:04
mr1303, on 2013-October-21, 06:38, said:
This was our team-mates auction, which lost a bucket load at the EBU autumn congress.
My partner and I were not impressed by this result. Who was most to blame?
The first four bids are impeccable...
I prefer 3♦ to 3♥. Once South bids 3♥ he should takeout 3NT to 4♦
But I also would not close shop with such a strong hand even in view of the misfit from North perspective, nor do I like 3NT with Axx in the only unbid suit and no source of tricks.
Surely 3♠ is preferable to 3NT. If partner can not bid 3NT over 3♠ it is unlikely we belong in 3NT and if we belong in 3NT South should declare.
I would give 60% to North and 40% to South.
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Posted 2013-October-21, 07:09
mr1303, on 2013-October-21, 06:57, said:
OK, but on the layout of the cards 7D was almost impossible not to make.
Either way you want to be in 6 at least.
Either way you want to be in 6 at least.
Quite so, but when scoring up with team-mates I find it a lot easier to put up with a bad board than with resultist hyperbole.
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Posted 2013-October-21, 07:57
rhm, on 2013-October-21, 07:04, said:
The first four bids are impeccable...
I prefer 3♦ to 3♥. Once South bids 3♥ he should takeout 3NT to 4♦
But I also would not close shop with such a strong hand even in view of the misfit from North perspective, nor do I like 3NT with Axx in the only unbid suit and no source of tricks.
Surely 3♠ is preferable to 3NT. If partner can not bid 3NT over 3♠ it is unlikely we belong in 3NT and if we belong in 3NT South should declare.
I prefer 3♦ to 3♥. Once South bids 3♥ he should takeout 3NT to 4♦
But I also would not close shop with such a strong hand even in view of the misfit from North perspective, nor do I like 3NT with Axx in the only unbid suit and no source of tricks.
Surely 3♠ is preferable to 3NT. If partner can not bid 3NT over 3♠ it is unlikely we belong in 3NT and if we belong in 3NT South should declare.
Pretty much sums it up, I think. I'm not sure I don't prefer 3♥ to 3♦, but only if you have already decided to follow it up by bidding ♦ on the next round. I can see the temptation to bid 3NT over 3♥ since partner may not feel able to bid it when it is the right contract, but other contracts are likely to be playable and 3NT may not be when partner has nothing in the suit. I think south's dubious choices are more culpable than north's, though, and I would give perhaps 67% of the blame to S and 33% to N.
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Posted 2013-October-21, 08:01
South bid it like he was 4-7 in the majors with huge diamond support.
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Posted 2013-October-21, 12:56
They deserved each other... I had preferred 3 ♦ instaed of 3 ♥, but 3 NT was a sin too.
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Posted 2013-October-21, 13:51
South was sleeping through this auction.
Suppose partner's hand is AKxxx of both minors. Wouldn't you want to be in 6♦? I mean partner doesn't have to be this good, though he can't be terribly worse, but can't we at least bid 3♦ over 3♣?
As far as North, I never understand this imperative to mastermind the auction. If he was much bigger than this he'd insist on slam. But as it is he doesn't even bother to look for it. Why not 3♠ and then raise 3nt to 4nt? Opener is still allowed to have extras.
Suppose partner's hand is AKxxx of both minors. Wouldn't you want to be in 6♦? I mean partner doesn't have to be this good, though he can't be terribly worse, but can't we at least bid 3♦ over 3♣?
As far as North, I never understand this imperative to mastermind the auction. If he was much bigger than this he'd insist on slam. But as it is he doesn't even bother to look for it. Why not 3♠ and then raise 3nt to 4nt? Opener is still allowed to have extras.
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Posted 2013-October-21, 13:55
South should bid 3♦ over 3♣, but 3♥ is not the worst bid ever seen.
North is far too strong to sign off in 3NT.
If South chose to bid 3♥ over 3♣, he had better bid 4♦ now. There is no way that South wants to play this hand in 3NT.
There is just too much going on here to allocate a portion of the 100% blame to the members of this partnership. Every bid after 3♣ (and, in the case of South's final pass, every call) was either not best or downright silly.
If I had to pick one call as the worst of the lot it is the final pass by South. Second worst is the 3NT bid by North.
North is far too strong to sign off in 3NT.
If South chose to bid 3♥ over 3♣, he had better bid 4♦ now. There is no way that South wants to play this hand in 3NT.
There is just too much going on here to allocate a portion of the 100% blame to the members of this partnership. Every bid after 3♣ (and, in the case of South's final pass, every call) was either not best or downright silly.
If I had to pick one call as the worst of the lot it is the final pass by South. Second worst is the 3NT bid by North.
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Posted 2013-October-21, 14:18
ArtK78, on 2013-October-21, 13:55, said:
South should bid 3♦ over 3♣, but 3♥ is not the worst bid ever seen.
North is far too strong to sign off in 3NT.
If South chose to bid 3♥ over 3♣, he had better bid 4♦ now. There is no way that South wants to play this hand in 3NT.
North is far too strong to sign off in 3NT.
If South chose to bid 3♥ over 3♣, he had better bid 4♦ now. There is no way that South wants to play this hand in 3NT.
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Posted 2013-October-21, 16:34
first 4 bids are fine. N failed to bid 3d which not only would show
dia support but it would also allow p to show a doubleton or
singleton honor heart support. This put the partnership behind
the 8 ball and made most of the future bidding speculative at best.
Sometimes it pays to leave p room to show if they have what you are
seeking rather than just continuing to bid out your distribution.
IMO 100% of the blame goes to N for failing to bid 3d (over 3c)
because it is not only what you bid that says a lot but what you
do not bid that helps describe a hand. P will never play you for
the type of hand you have when you bid 3h instead of 3d,
If I had bid 3d and p then followed with 3s (I would know p has at
most 1h) O would then bid 4c which will at least give p the impression
I am 1633 or very close to that distribution but more importantly it
pinpoints the short spade in a hand where p seems to have problems
with spades for NT purposes. Should be easy to reach 6 that way.
dia support but it would also allow p to show a doubleton or
singleton honor heart support. This put the partnership behind
the 8 ball and made most of the future bidding speculative at best.
Sometimes it pays to leave p room to show if they have what you are
seeking rather than just continuing to bid out your distribution.
IMO 100% of the blame goes to N for failing to bid 3d (over 3c)
because it is not only what you bid that says a lot but what you
do not bid that helps describe a hand. P will never play you for
the type of hand you have when you bid 3h instead of 3d,
If I had bid 3d and p then followed with 3s (I would know p has at
most 1h) O would then bid 4c which will at least give p the impression
I am 1633 or very close to that distribution but more importantly it
pinpoints the short spade in a hand where p seems to have problems
with spades for NT purposes. Should be easy to reach 6 that way.
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