[32519]

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How good are your methods over the opponents 1NT opening bid?

[Lord Molyb]

(1NT) - 3♣! - ( p ) - 3♦!
( p ) - 3♠ - ( p ) - 5♣

Using homemade system over 1NT. 3♣ shows 6 ♣s and a maximum strong NT strength or better, 3♦, 3♠ shows concentration in that suit, 5♣ is hoping for the best.
3NT from the east is better than 5♣ because sometimes south won't lead a heart. Also, switching the hearts and spades in the west hand would make both contracts un-makable.


If I wasn't reckless enough to bid 3♣, which is a slight overbid here, it would go:
(1NT) - 2♣ - AP

[uday]

If you flipped west and south, EW might go for a number in 2CX (800 in 3C) while NS is going down in 4S. Just saying.

I'd be able to show clubs at the 2 level but our overcall style is aggressive enough that I doubt partner would raise. Tough hand.

[CamHenry]

I'm aggressive enough that I'd probably double (penalties) with the E hand. Depending on opponents' runouts, I suspect we collect 500 from 2♥X, or play a club partscore. I can't see a way we'd bid the game.

[nige1]

32519, on 2014-January-10, 12:05, said:

How good are your methods over the opponents 1NT opening bid?

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If East bravely doubles, the final contract would depend NS scrambling methods. EW might reach the lucky 3N but 5♣ is too hard for most of us

[ggwhiz]

double float 1400?

[Lord Molyb]

ggwhiz, on 2014-January-10, 16:52, said:

double float 1400?

you'd lead a pointed suit?

[ggwhiz]

Lord Molyb, on 2014-January-10, 17:55, said:

you'd lead a pointed suit?

My leads are legendary. It's my declarer play, bidding, hand evaluation, mid hand defense and a couple of other things that suck.

[Jinksy]

1) Double for penalty as E (planning to lead AC)

2) NS do something to get to 2H

3) Whoever gets subsequent call of E and W takeout Xes

Then we branch into i) W Xed, ii) E Xed:

i)

4i) E bids 3C

5i) W is too good to pass and bids 3H.

6i) If NS showed exactly 4-4 Hs, E might try his luck with 3N, else he bids 4C NF.

7i) W looks at the bidding so far, the vul, and the fact that all the defensive points are known to be in the same hand, shrugs and raises, hoping E has both black aces as seems slightly better than 50% on the bidding. This is probably the flimsiest call of the auction, but I'd prob make it.

ii)

4ii) W bids something 2-suitery, either 2N or 3H. (probably the latter with no H stop and a S suit, though ideally they've discussed the exact meanings here)

5ii) E bids 3C if able, bidding proceeds as from 6i above..

6ii) If E bid 3C, W now bids 3S if he thinks he's shown the minors, else 3H.

7ii) Bidding proceeds as from 6i above.

If E's double isn't penalties, then I give up

[MrAce]

ggwhiz, on 2014-January-10, 16:52, said:

double float 1400?

They will probably play 2♥

32519, on 2014-January-10, 12:05, said:

How good are your methods over the opponents 1NT opening bid?

Good enough to not seek for game after 15-17 NT. When your priority is not to focus on hands that makes game, it is hard to find the 3 NT or 5♣

[Zelandakh]

MrAce, on 2014-January-11, 08:39, said:

They will probably play 2♥

Why does everyone think N-S will play 2♥ rather than 2♠? It depends on the runout system being used.

MrAce, on 2014-January-11, 08:39, said:

Good enough to not seek for game after 15-17 NT. When your priority is not to focus on hands that makes game, it is hard to find the 3 NT or 5♣

This theme is a long-standing source of new threads for the OP and you have little chance of convincing that not looking for these games is ok. The hand would be more interesting with the ♥Q or a king in the South hand and a weak NT opened. Of course in this case the transferred king might be in clubs.

[gszes]

I would simply x for penalties and p would be happy to leave it in --we might easily collect 500

not a big loss of imps and probably a pretty darn good mp score. If you are worried about missing

5c why show no concern for missing 3n (same principle)? The backs of the cards are a constant

reminder that we are playing a game of % and missing a seeing eye game now and then is a small

price to pay for many many more solid results --- the opps may run or may not (neither opp has

a great reason to run) but the x surely gets us off to a great start on this hand with lots of upside

potential. BTW my runouts over x are if you hold a side k in an otherwise balanced hand leave it in.

[MrAce]

Zelandakh, on 2014-January-13, 09:08, said:

Why does everyone think N-S will play 2♥ rather than 2♠? It depends on the runout system being used.
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You are correct that not every runaway systems will find it. Off topic but i always used DONT like runaways, xx = i have a long suit 2x = x + higher suit 4-4 or better. I find this pretty simple and effective by weak hand.

Assuming that DBL would be penalty and weak hand can take this action.

[Zelandakh]

And my runouts are a modified form of Spelvic, where 2♦ shows the pointy suits, so it depends how South sees the hand as to how it goes and both 2♥ and 2♠ are possible. One issue with your DONT runouts are that you cannot now stop in 1NTXX and run the risk of missing a game bonus if 4th hand is bust. I doubt that this plus the loss of showing specific suits in most cases makes up for the ability to play 1NTX but there are plenty of others here who agree with you on that point. Within the umbrella of simple methods it is certainly amongst the better ones.

[Jinksy]

gszes, on 2014-January-13, 09:22, said:

I would simply x for penalties and p would be happy to leave it in

But no sane S would.

[humilities]

I think this is more about philosophy vs methods. If your philosophy is to disturb the oponents NT whenever possible, then you give up on questionable games like this. You take your small wins and agree that you don't go looking for lucky games.

And lucky game it is - there is no way to judge AJxx opposite KQx in the auction - swap West's red suits and game is now pretty poor.

[MrAce]

humilities, on 2014-January-21, 07:48, said:

I think this is more about philosophy vs methods. If your philosophy is to disturb the oponents NT whenever possible, then you give up on questionable games like this.

Exactly

[Cyberyeti]

Zelandakh, on 2014-January-14, 07:34, said:

And my runouts are a modified form of Spelvic, where 2♦ shows the pointy suits, so it depends how South sees the hand as to how it goes and both 2♥ and 2♠ are possible. One issue with your DONT runouts are that you cannot now stop in 1NTXX and run the risk of missing a game bonus if 4th hand is bust. I doubt that this plus the loss of showing specific suits in most cases makes up for the ability to play 1NTX but there are plenty of others here who agree with you on that point. Within the umbrella of simple methods it is certainly amongst the better ones.

And some people will get to 2♣ then redouble to show the other 3 suits, I'd in fact show both majors so partner will have a choice.