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xx Jx AKJ9xxx Kx, 4th in hand at teams, NV vs V.
(Opps are 4cd M / weak NT).
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Is this clear?
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Posted 2014-February-27, 17:43
xx Jx AKJ9xxx Kx, 4th in hand at teams, NV vs V.
(Opps are 4cd M / weak NT).
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Posted 2014-February-27, 18:12
rfedrick, on 2014-February-27, 17:43, said:
xx Jx AKJ9xxx Kx, 4th in hand at teams, NV vs V.
(1S) - P - (4S) - ?
(Opps are 4cd M / weak NT).
(1S) - P - (4S) - ?
(Opps are 4cd M / weak NT).
To me yes, at this vulnerability. White vs Red, a very well 7 card suit texture, makes the risk/gain ratio in favor of bidding despite the 2-2-2 side shape. It is also consistent with opponents bidding 4♠ vulnerable. I am aware that some may argue that pd can take us too serious. I disagree, pd is also capable of seeing the colors and that i am bidding under pressure. Of course we may construct hands where pd has a legit hand to get excited, or that 5♦ bid was wrong on this hand, but nothing is perfect especially when you are forced to bid or pass at 5 level. To me they bid and raised on red is a strong hint besides me holding a 7 card good suit and being white.
It may even be a good lead director, if they decide to not sell the auction. Who knows ? Most people i read in forums are focused on lead directors that are targeting the killing leads. Sometimes avoiding pd to make a fatal (for us) lead is good enough.
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Posted 2014-February-27, 18:47
No it is definitely NOT clear; it is worth serious consideration. Bidding could go for a number and your distribution is foul. That said, I would bid 5H here, but would not be surprised to see it go awry.
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Posted 2014-February-27, 19:03
rfedrick, on 2014-February-27, 17:43, said:
xx Jx AKJ9xxx Kx, 4th in hand at teams, NV vs V.
(1S) - P - (4S) - ?
(Opps are 4cd M / weak NT).
(1S) - P - (4S) - ?
(Opps are 4cd M / weak NT).
Agree with MrAce and theHog. Great that they agree (to some extent) with each other
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Posted 2014-February-27, 19:20
5♥? Bidding a 2-card suit?
I've added the hand diagram, this goes to show why they're better than writing the hand in text.
I've added the hand diagram, this goes to show why they're better than writing the hand in text.
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Posted 2014-February-27, 20:25
I agree that it's clear to bid and not at all clear that you may regret it.
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Posted 2014-February-27, 21:54
barmar, on 2014-February-27, 19:20, said:
5♥? Bidding a 2-card suit? I've added the hand diagram, this goes to show why they're better than writing the hand in text.
I often miss-sort my red-suits 
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Posted 2014-February-27, 22:32
I think the decision is clear to bid 5♦ unless we know something else...like it is a Precision pair, whose 4S raise might be on 3-card support with the nuts. Even then, 5 ♦ should be considered; but it would be close.
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Posted 2014-February-27, 23:55
nige1, on 2014-February-27, 21:54, said:
Thank you, Barmar I often miss-sort my red-suits
I often miss-sort my red-suits Moi ici.
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Posted 2014-February-28, 03:13
Before doing anything I will ask what the 4♠ response means - many in the Acol Club use this as their strong raise!
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Posted 2014-February-28, 03:18
Zelandakh, on 2014-February-28, 03:13, said:
Before doing anything I will ask what the 4♠ response means - many in the Acol Club use this as their strong raise!
4S is normal, something like a 4-8 count with lots of shape (this is from a strong teams match, it's not BBO).
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Posted 2014-February-28, 08:14
I do not feel this is so clear at all. Partner holding short S failed to bid which suggests to me my LHO has a good hand and that does not make my K of C look so good at this moment and becomes a suspect value. Bidding even though the colors are favorable may not work out. We could easily go for 800 and it might be 1100 on a bad day. I will not haggle with the 5D bidders, but I think bidding here is not a favorite to work well, mark me down for pass.
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Posted 2014-February-28, 08:59
the hog, on 2014-February-27, 23:55, said:
nige1, on 2014-February-27, 21:54, said:
Thank you, Barmar I often miss-sort my red-suits
I often miss-sort my red-suits Moi ici.
Miss-sorting your red suits is OK. But miss-sorting your French?
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Posted 2014-March-01, 05:34
Thanks for the comments.
Like the majority here, I bid 5D, with some misgivings.This went for 1100 (against 650) when LHO turned up with a strong NT (including Qxx of diamonds) and partner contributed a distinctly unhelpful Qx Q9xx xx xxxxx.
Like the majority here, I bid 5D, with some misgivings.This went for 1100 (against 650) when LHO turned up with a strong NT (including Qxx of diamonds) and partner contributed a distinctly unhelpful Qx Q9xx xx xxxxx.
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Posted 2014-March-01, 08:09
rfedrick, on 2014-March-01, 05:34, said:
Thanks for the comments.
Like the majority here, I bid 5D, with some misgivings.This went for 1100 (against 650) when LHO turned up with a strong NT (including Qxx of diamonds) and partner contributed a distinctly unhelpful Qx Q9xx xx xxxxx.
Like the majority here, I bid 5D, with some misgivings.This went for 1100 (against 650) when LHO turned up with a strong NT (including Qxx of diamonds) and partner contributed a distinctly unhelpful Qx Q9xx xx xxxxx.
Did you play it in BBO ?
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MrAce, on 2014-March-01, 08:09, said:
Did you play it in BBO ?
No
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Posted 2014-March-01, 08:28
Dang ! I collected -1100 
I will get over it as soon as i put the cards in board and pulled up the new cards
I almost started to think that i am not bidding enough, it has been a long time since i bailed -1100
I will get over it as soon as i put the cards in board and pulled up the new cardsI almost started to think that i am not bidding enough, it has been a long time since i bailed -1100
"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
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Sign me up for -1100 then.
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