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Posted 2014-March-20, 23:52


IMPS, all vul. Partner deals and opens 1NT (15-17). Stayman or blast 3NT?
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Posted 2014-March-21, 01:41

Stayman, if I bid 3N, partner invariably has xxx, AKxx, AQxx, Kx (or has 5 hearts, but you might not open that 1N).
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Posted 2014-March-21, 04:57

Stayman? Sure!
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Posted 2014-March-21, 04:58

View PostCyberyeti, on 2014-March-21, 01:41, said:

Stayman, if I bid 3N, partner invariably has xxx, AKxx, AQxx, Kx (or has 5 hearts, but you might not open that 1N).


Why on earth not?
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Posted 2014-March-21, 04:59

I used to play 1nt - 3 typically showed a 1-3-(5-4,4-5) game force which might survive on a hand like this but without it blasting 3nt is a one way ticket to the partnership desk. Even if it works.
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Posted 2014-March-21, 06:47

View Postthe hog, on 2014-March-21, 04:58, said:

Why on earth not?


There are some people in this world who won't open 1N with 5M, I'm not one of them, but there seem to be plenty around, that debate seems to be done pretty regularly on these boards.
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Posted 2014-March-21, 10:20

View PostAntrax, on 2014-March-20, 23:52, said:


IMPS, all vul. Partner deals and opens 1NT (15-17). Stayman or blast 3NT?


For me ,
1nt--- 2nt(relay to 3)
3--- 3(=1444,singleton in )
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Posted 2014-March-21, 18:25

View PostCyberyeti, on 2014-March-21, 06:47, said:

There are some people in this world who won't open 1N with 5M, I'm not one of them, but there seem to be plenty around, that debate seems to be done pretty regularly on these boards.


What on earth does playing 1NT with 5 card Ms have to do with bidding stayman on this hand?
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Posted 2014-March-21, 18:43

View Postthe hog, on 2014-March-21, 18:25, said:

What on earth does playing 1NT with 5 card Ms have to do with bidding stayman on this hand?


Because I definitely want to be in 4 via Stayman if there's any danger partner has 5 of them, 3N can be a monumentally stupid place to play, xxx, AKQxx, Ax, Kxx for example, going off in 3N when I can make 6.
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Posted 2014-March-22, 02:07

Alright, this is what I thought. About a quarter of the people who've played the hand on BBO just blasted 3NT and were rewarded (4 goes 2 off, 3NT makes on the nose) and I was wondering if there's some principle here I'm missing. It's not even hand-hogging as GIB would play either final contract.
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Posted 2014-March-22, 04:19

View PostAntrax, on 2014-March-22, 02:07, said:

Alright, this is what I thought. About a quarter of the people who've played the hand on BBO just blasted 3NT and were rewarded (4 goes 2 off, 3NT makes on the nose) and I was wondering if there's some principle here I'm missing. It's not even hand-hogging as GIB would play either final contract.


Regardless of how many cards in a major 1 NT contains, i would use stayman and i would be in 4 with the given methods.

But i play 3 3 3 bids splinter, so that is what i would bid in my prefered system. I am not sure if this would help pd to bid 3 NT and ignore our 4-4 fit since i don't know the other hand.


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Posted 2014-March-22, 04:38

N has KQxx and four lousy hearts, so you'd end up in 3NT after a spade splinter.
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Posted 2014-March-22, 06:06

no, if pd only has kqxx of s, you would still be in 4H
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Posted 2014-March-22, 07:10

View Postthe hog, on 2014-March-22, 06:06, said:

no, if pd only has kqxx of s, you would still be in 4H


He did not say only KQxx but also 4 lousy hearts.

FYI when they did not bid it, xxxx vs x or xxx vs xx is good enough to play 3 NT if you have to,

It maybe 4-4, or it maybe 5-3 and the guy with 3 card maybe on lead, or they may block it, or we may go down in 3 NT. People go down sometimes in their game contracts Posted Image

Anyway, pd seems to have much better than xxxx.
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Posted 2014-March-22, 08:07

I hereby request that all posters mention that it is a GIB hand so I can ignore it as having nothing to do with the game I know.
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