[barmar]

blackshoe, on 2014-May-16, 11:10, said:

All true, but how would you rule in the two cases?

I wouldn't require disclosure that a player is a poor player, lacking in good bridge judgement. I would require disclosure that partner habitually misplaces cards, and as a result frequently underbids.

If his problem is manual dexterity or a physical disability, I'd also recommend one of the many aids that people use to hold their cards.

[mr1303]

I would be deeply embarrassed if my partner called the director on a beginner who had miscounted his points and passed a 16 count.

[Trinidad]

mr1303, on 2014-May-18, 08:05, said:

I would be deeply embarrassed if my partner called the director on a beginner who had miscounted his points and passed a 16 count.

Sure.

But what if your partner thinks that the beginner is a seasoned player? I have seen rank beginners make good plays out of shear stupidity. Think of the Rueful Rabbit.

That is why it is good to disclose up front when you are a beginner.

Rik

[blackshoe]

"I am a beginner. I have been a beginner since 1963."

[Zelandakh]

blackshoe, on 2014-May-18, 11:49, said:

"I am a beginner. I have been a beginner since 1963."

The JFK assassination hit some people hard...

[barmar]

mr1303, on 2014-May-18, 08:05, said:

I would be deeply embarrassed if my partner called the director on a beginner who had miscounted his points and passed a 16 count.

I was tempted to answer the earlier question about how I would rule with "It will never come up -- no one would think of calling the TD because a beginner misbid." But the title of the thread is "theorical[sic] question", so I suppose real life is irrelevant.

[blackshoe]

mr1303, on 2014-May-18, 08:05, said:

I would be deeply embarrassed if my partner called the director on a beginner who had miscounted his points and passed a 16 count.

Let's try to avoid the "call the director on…" meme, okay? The director is not a weapon you use to bludgeon your opponents, he is a referee whose job is to ensure, as best he can, a level playing field. IAC, it is the partner who failed to adequately disclose his partnership understanding (or the partnership as a whole) with whom the director will be dealing. Also, we're not talking about a single case of forgetfulness, we're talking about a pattern that has gone on long enough to establish an implicit partnership understanding.

[blackshoe]

barmar, on 2014-May-17, 23:03, said:

I wouldn't require disclosure that a player is a poor player, lacking in good bridge judgement. I would require disclosure that partner habitually misplaces cards, and as a result frequently underbids.

If his problem is manual dexterity or a physical disability, I'd also recommend one of the many aids that people use to hold their cards.

Fair enough. BTW, for those who noticed the mis-spelling in the topic title, I fixed it.