[kgr]

We ended in the wrong contract with following bidding:
(1♦)-DBL-(P)-2♣
(P)-2♦-(P)-2♥
(P)-3♦-(P)-4♣
(P)-4♥-AP

We agree until:
- 2♣=No 4cM and weak
- 2♦=very strong, not necessarily ♣-fit, not GF

And questioned:
- 2♥: Is this promising extras or just a 3-card with a stop. Can it be done with?: xxx=QJx=xx=xxxxx

- If DBL'er would bid 3♥, is that forcing?:
(1♦)-DBL-(P)-2♣
(P)-2♦-(P)-2♥
(P)-3♥

- Is 3♦ very strong with a ♣-fit?:
(1♦)-DBL-(P)-2♣
(P)-2♦-(P)-2♥
(P)-3♦

- Is 4♥ a cue for ♣, or can it be a very strong hand with only ♥?:
(1♦)-DBL-(P)-2♣
(P)-2♦-(P)-2♥
(P)-3♦-(P)-4♣
(P)-4♥

The bidding and hands:

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[Cyberyeti]

Is 2♦ then 3♣ NF/F1/GF from the big hand (and how many clubs does it show, can pd have xxx, QJx, xxxxx, xx ?)

How would the strong hand bid with the majors reversed ?

[the hog]

nth is off with the fairies. For heavens sake, when was he ever going to support cs?

[kgr]

Cyberyeti, on 2014-May-18, 04:49, said:

Is 2♦ then 3♣ NF/F1/GF from the big hand (and how many clubs does it show, can pd have xxx, QJx, xxxxx, xx ?)

I think that 2♦ is very strong, but not GF. Therefore 3♣ would be very weak and NF?

Cyberyeti, on 2014-May-18, 04:49, said:

How would the strong hand bid with the majors reversed ?

4♥ was intended as a cue, so I think North would bid the same.
In fact, even if 4♥ is clearly cue for ♣ then 4♦ would be a better bid?

[kgr]

the hog, on 2014-May-18, 04:53, said:

nth is off with the fairies. For heavens sake, when was he ever going to support cs?

North thought that he supported ♣ with 4♥ (control with ♣-fit

[ahydra]

kgr, on 2014-May-18, 05:28, said:

North thought that he supported ♣ with 4♥ (control with ♣-fit

But as South, I hear this

Double - excellent, you have some points. I've got clubs but not much else.
2D - loads of points, no real suit of your own... hmm, I've got nothing else to show you except this heart stopper. If anyone asks, it shows a stopper, not an actual suit
3D - you want a stop in diamonds for NT? Sorry, I ain't got it.
4H - You've got three hearts, sorry I had to invent the 2H bid, but what can I do now? Hand is a total misfit but you have decent strength so let's see if it makes.

Admittedly it's hard for North. 2D is more than reasonable (X-then-cue should be GF btw) and you don't want to give up on 3NT just yet. I don't like the 2H bid (shows the strength well but should really show 4-card suit, what's the hurry to show a heart stopper on that auction) and, given the 2H bid, I don't like 4H because it risks being passed. Just bid 5C, you might have missed slam but at least you land in a sensible game.

Or you could even consider a straight 3NT over 2C or 2H.

ahydra

[Cyberyeti]

kgr, on 2014-May-18, 05:26, said:

I think that 2♦ is very strong, but not GF. Therefore 3♣ would be very weak and NF?

I was talking about (1♦)-X-2♣-2♦-2♥-3♣

Also shouldn't you play (1♦)-X-2♣-2♦-2N as good/bad so you have 3♣ by responder as showing clubs and values, then you can show your major suit stop.

[kgr]

Cyberyeti, on 2014-May-18, 05:54, said:

I was talking about (1♦)-X-2♣-2♦-2♥-3♣

It is actually undefined in our system:
Options of overcaller:
- 2NT = 18-20
Further bidding: cuebid asks stop for 3NT, 3C to play, 3M: 3cM and values (max).
- Cue can be balanced 22-23 or GF onesuiter or strong support
- New suit = natural, 16+
- New suit with jump = Acol Two type, but not GF
- Cue and new suit = GF
- 3C = 12-15, fit
- Jump cue = splinter, extras, support
- 4C = 4/5cC, 19-21

Cyberyeti, on 2014-May-18, 05:54, said:

Also shouldn't you play (1♦)-X-2♣-2♦-2N as good/bad so you have 3♣ by responder as showing clubs and values, then you can show your major suit stop.

Maybe (In our system logic 2NT would then be minimal).