Your bid? And rebid?
#1
Posted 2014-June-03, 16:23
♠63
♥AKQ9743
♦Q4
♣42
Your opening bid? I suppose it's either 1♥ or 4♥. If you open 1♥ and partner answers 1♠ meaning 0-4 spades and 5-11 points, what's your rebid?
EDIT: Your RHO has passed.
#2
Posted 2014-June-03, 16:45
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#3
Posted 2014-June-03, 17:07
-P.J. Painter.
#4
Posted 2014-June-03, 18:04
Behemont1, on 2014-June-03, 16:23, said:
♠63
♥AKQ9743
♦Q4
♣42
Your opening bid? I suppose it's either 1♥ or 4♥. If you open 1♥ and partner answers 1♠ meaning 0-4 spades and 5-11 points, what's your rebid?
EDIT: Your RHO has passed.
1h then 2h no problem yet.
open 3h is second choice.
#7
Posted 2014-June-04, 09:13
*** And solid 7 tricks for 3NT?????
*** That is certainly NOT "Seems easy." as partner expects.
#8
Posted 2014-June-04, 09:44
dake50, on 2014-June-04, 09:13, said:
*** And solid 7 tricks for 3NT?????
*** That is certainly NOT "Seems easy." as partner expects.
A thing that cannot ever be shown is a thing that is easy to disregard.
A seven-card suit headed by the Ace-King-Queen is nice for 3NT if partner has two quicks and control. But, barring a 2♥ opening and Ogust, no approach allows discovery of the Ace-King-Queen combo. If I open 4♥, I have already bypassed 3NT. If I open 1♥, no rebid shows solid hearts unless there is a 2/1 bid, and then only if I play that the rebid shows a solid suit, but even then I cannot get to 3NT. The hand is too strong for 2♥-P-2NT-P-3NT, and that doesn't even work because he expects a 6-card suit. Plus, he won't ask with two quicks anyway.
So, it is "easy" because no other options work and because I meet the definition of the 3♥ call exactly. I am allowed to have a solid suit. In fact, if you think it through, a 3M call red on white usually features a very good suit anyway. If you need to have a 6-loser hand and a 7-card suit, the solid seven and out is one option. Barring that, you need either an eight-card suit (where 4♥ is an option) or a semi-solid suit with a trick on the outside (or a 4-card side suit). With the 4-card side suit, you end up with a plausible 4♥ opening also. Thus, a 3M call red on white that actually qualifies is usually based on a fairly good suit anyway, and any problems are bolstered by a plausible entry.
On top of all this, the fact that 3NT might be the ideal contract on a rare occasion is not cause to go into weird worlds and suffer the loss of preemptive value, IMO.
-P.J. Painter.
#9
Posted 2014-June-04, 11:29
kenrexford, on 2014-June-04, 09:44, said:
I agree. But in my world, that makes it too strong for 3♥ too. There is no room between a weak two (or a preempt) and an opening bid. If it is too strong for a preempt, it is an opening bid.
Rik
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#10
Posted 2014-June-04, 12:24
Trinidad, on 2014-June-04, 11:29, said:
Rik
I have no problem with deciding to open 1♥ or with playing a method where 1♥ is a legitimate opening. The hand has 2 1/2 quick tricks, 11 HCP, 13 points with distribution, no rebid problems, and 20 by Rule-of-Twenty count. Only Cansino Count fails. So, the hand "qualifies" for a 1♥ opening.
My style/judgment, though, is that an opening bid with a one-suiter should offer some defensive value, as well. This hand produces about 1.5 defensive tricks (as the Qx is probably carrying more defensive weight than offensive). That's a tad shy of the reason for the 2/5 quicks. With a one-suiter, I tend to like the preemptive value much more than the constructive/defensive value with this type of hand. Add in the single focus (as to strain and SUITS), and this seems like a clear preempt. Technically having an opening hand by most definitions should not, IMO, rule out a preempt, when Red on White. Any other colors, and I am with you. RvW is a different beast entirely.
In fact, to me a RvW "preempt" is more of a descriptive/constructive call than a true preempt. The preemptive value is secondary, although important.
-P.J. Painter.
#11
Posted 2014-June-04, 13:59
3H
3NT gamblng
4H
If 1H is chosen instead, then 2H rebid is the logical consequence.
#12
Posted 2014-June-04, 14:43
whereagles, on 2014-June-04, 13:59, said:
3H
3NT gamblng
4H
If 1H is chosen instead, then 2H rebid is the logical consequence.
That's useful. LOL So, you would not consider a psychic or a slightly off-shape but adjusted up 1NT?
Actually, the adjusted up 1NT is funny. I like that.
-P.J. Painter.
#13
Posted 2014-June-04, 14:43
whereagles, on 2014-June-04, 13:59, said:
3H
3NT gamblng
4H
If 1H is chosen instead, then 2H rebid is the logical consequence.
That's useful. LOL So, you would not consider a psychic or a slightly off-shape but adjusted up 1NT?
Actually, the adjusted up 1NT is funny. I like that.
-P.J. Painter.
#14
Posted 2014-June-04, 18:31
#15
Posted 2014-June-04, 19:12
A seven-card suit headed by the Ace-King-Queen is nice for 3NT if partner has two quicks and control. But, barring a 2♥ opening and Ogust, no approach allows discovery of the Ace-King-Queen combo. If I open 4♥, I have already bypassed 3NT. If I open 1♥, no rebid shows solid hearts unless there is a 2/1 bid, and then only if I play that the rebid shows a solid suit, but even then I cannot get to 3NT. The hand is too strong for 2♥-P-2NT-P-3NT, and that doesn't even work because he expects a 6-card suit. Plus, he won't ask with two quicks anyway.
So, it is "easy" because no other options work and because I meet the definition of the 3♥ call exactly. -- kenrexford
*** The very point of having an expert forum.
For you to assert ** standard treatment** as your defense denigrates anyone who sees 7-solid is not a standard hand.
An expert strategist would at least acknowledge this problem and bemoan 7-solid is bad for the balance sheet for preempts.
Why on earth do you think the question was posed??? To get instructed in preempt standards???
#16
Posted 2014-June-05, 02:16
#17
Posted 2014-June-05, 02:38
Odd question and even more odd answers especially in the expert forum. These are answers I would expect in the B/I forum.
#18
Posted 2014-June-05, 03:58
and for the first time ever the hog has been caught overbidding. this is a basic 1h, 2h hand. if partner can't invite over that, you're not missing anything good.
#19
Posted 2014-June-05, 04:07
#20
Posted 2014-June-05, 05:06
dake50, on 2014-June-04, 19:12, said:
A seven-card suit headed by the Ace-King-Queen is nice for 3NT if partner has two quicks and control. But, barring a 2♥ opening and Ogust, no approach allows discovery of the Ace-King-Queen combo. If I open 4♥, I have already bypassed 3NT. If I open 1♥, no rebid shows solid hearts unless there is a 2/1 bid, and then only if I play that the rebid shows a solid suit, but even then I cannot get to 3NT. The hand is too strong for 2♥-P-2NT-P-3NT, and that doesn't even work because he expects a 6-card suit. Plus, he won't ask with two quicks anyway.
So, it is "easy" because no other options work and because I meet the definition of the 3♥ call exactly. -- kenrexford
*** The very point of having an expert forum.
For you to assert ** standard treatment** as your defense denigrates anyone who sees 7-solid is not a standard hand.
An expert strategist would at least acknowledge this problem and bemoan 7-solid is bad for the balance sheet for preempts.
Why on earth do you think the question was posed??? To get instructed in preempt standards???
Ok. You win. I will bid the expert 1D, followed by a leaping 3H canapé. Classic MICS solution. Additionally, I get to show my side feature.
-P.J. Painter.