[alphred]

hi all

We play weak 2-bids with Ogust. All are vulnerable. RHO/dealer passes, and I have:

♠ K 10 8 6 5 4
♥ K Q 8 4 3
♦ -
♣ 5 2

What should I bid?

[nige1]

alphred said:

♠ K 10 8 6 5 4 ♥ K Q 8 4 3♦ ♣ 5 2
We play weak 2-bids with Ogust. All are vulnerable. RHO/dealer passes.
What should I bid?

I rank

• 1♠ = NAT. Get the show on the road.
• 2♠ = NAT. OK in Zia Style. More fraught using Ogust. If partner responds 2N, you might experiment with a 4♥ rebid.
• Pass = NAT. Hoping to cue-bid, bid 2N. or double later.

[Cyberyeti]

Not opening 2♠, really embarrassing to play there opposite x, AJxxx, xxxx, AKx

I can live with 1♠ or pass, I'd open, but we open fairly light anyway.

[wank]

passing or 1s are ok. 2+ spades is a shooting offence.

[wanoff]

Pass is ok

[apollo1201]

6-5 with all those honors are too much for me to bid a weak 2.

In 2nd red, it is often better to have sound bids so I'm not opening at the 1 level (KQxxxx Kxxxx might tempt me better though).

After passing I'll probably scream my 2-suiter next, if I can.

[rmnka447]

I'm passing.

If you do decide to step in with this hand, then you've got to bid 1 ♠ rather than 2 ♠. Give partner as little as ♠ x ♥ Axxxx ♦ xx ♣ xxxxx and 4 ♥ is virtually lay down. If you open 2 ♠, partner may never be able to explore for a ♥ fit.

[lycier]

There's nothing left to say, passing, never open any because of weak two bid on your CC.

[eagles123]

i'd just pass but wouldn't fault 1s, 2s i'm looking for a new partner.

[phoenix214]

Since you have shape you can afford the pass - both majors is the easiest hand to enter the competitve bidding afterwards anyway so you are not losing much.
If you open 2S - as mentioned before the higest risk is missing out on a heart fit. I doubt the bidding would go 2S all pass - just because you are looking at a lot of shape - but the problem is that opening a preempt you are telling your partner that you want to play spades unless he really insists on something else - which frankly is not the case with your hand - you would like to play in any of the major suits.

As for 1 spade opening - the biggest problem is that when your partner has minimum forcing game values and you overbid, cause you do not have a full opening bid - although 4M will have some play anyway.

[el mister]

What are the expert criteria for steaming in with 4M on 6-5 hands? Can be very productive, IME, but I see here we are 2nd seat vuln and hold both majors, so maybe not the time or the place?

[Cyberyeti]

el mister, on 2016-June-07, 03:54, said:

What are the expert criteria for steaming in with 4M on 6-5 hands? Can be very productive, IME, but I see here we are 2nd seat vuln and hold both majors, so maybe not the time or the place?

Yeah, suit not good enough, wrong seat/vul, both majors.

3rd green AKQxxx, x, x, Jxxxx 4♠ easy.

[P_Marlowe]

A option not mentioned: 3NT, showing 65 in the majors.

If not av., I am going with Pass.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[gwnn]

pass.

I'm a little bitter because I played 3NT=65 majors either way (learned it from fred) in hundreds of hands of bridge but it never came up.

edit: oops Marlowe just mentioned it.

This post has been edited by gwnn: 2016-June-07, 05:29

[Jinksy]

gwnn, on 2016-June-07, 05:29, said:

I'm a little bitter because I played 3NT=65 majors either way (learned it from fred) in hundreds of hands of bridge but it never came up.

What strength?

[gwnn]

Jinksy, on 2016-June-07, 11:45, said:

What strength?

weak-ish. in terms of hcp maybe 6-10? the point of it (for me) wasn't to change the range of 1-level openings, at least not too much. this was in contrast to the way constructive weak twos, where I was happy opening 2M on hands otherwise I would've opened 1M on. Not sure how standard this all is.

[Winstonm]

I used to think this was a pass but have been convinced by modern bidding tendencies that it is better to open now and try to slow down later. The trick is to prevent partner from making a penalty double until he gets the idea that I am very distributional and uncooperative about doubling. This is not always possible. Alas, nothing is perfect.

[bigbenvic]

I would pass but it's very close, 1♠ being my second choice.