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You have 21 hcp but the heart suit is abysmal.
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Posted 2017-February-18, 02:47
What action (if any) would you take if dealt this hand?
You have 21 hcp but the heart suit is abysmal.
You have 21 hcp but the heart suit is abysmal.
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Posted 2017-February-18, 03:04
A few considerations:
- with normal breaks, I can hope to make 10 tricks alone so I should be worth some kind of GF opening
- NT contratcs would not play better as even if I can establish my suit, a AK stopper might not stop the run of opponents suit and communication to dummy (if he raises some kind of super 2NT opening to 3 with 2 queens and Jx hearts) could be a nightmare
- even if I have a bad suit, it is still a 7-carder and partner if he has some points and wants to explore slam should consider external As and Ks (good thing, he has none!) and H honors in his decision so I believe we shouldn't get overboard
So I dare a 2C opening followed by 2H. With 6322 I would go for some 2NT (not playing puppet!).
- with normal breaks, I can hope to make 10 tricks alone so I should be worth some kind of GF opening
- NT contratcs would not play better as even if I can establish my suit, a AK stopper might not stop the run of opponents suit and communication to dummy (if he raises some kind of super 2NT opening to 3 with 2 queens and Jx hearts) could be a nightmare
- even if I have a bad suit, it is still a 7-carder and partner if he has some points and wants to explore slam should consider external As and Ks (good thing, he has none!) and H honors in his decision so I believe we shouldn't get overboard
So I dare a 2C opening followed by 2H. With 6322 I would go for some 2NT (not playing puppet!).
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Posted 2017-February-18, 06:24
I do not see the issue.
partner needs a yarborough with a singleton heart to make game.
Unless we open 2♣ how do we want to convince our partner that we will only need goods hearts for the sky to be the limit?
What terrible can happen if you open 2♣?
Outside of hearts partner can have only a couple quacks.
Of course partner may be short in hearts and have a good long suit somewhere else.
But even this might be easier to find out by opening 2♣.
Rainer Herrmann
partner needs a yarborough with a singleton heart to make game.
Unless we open 2♣ how do we want to convince our partner that we will only need goods hearts for the sky to be the limit?
What terrible can happen if you open 2♣?
Outside of hearts partner can have only a couple quacks.
Of course partner may be short in hearts and have a good long suit somewhere else.
But even this might be easier to find out by opening 2♣.
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Posted 2017-February-19, 11:22
rhm, on 2017-February-18, 06:24, said:
I do not see the issue.
partner needs a yarborough with a singleton heart to make game.
Rainer Herrmann
partner needs a yarborough with a singleton heart to make game.
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Nor very likely. The singleton would have to be precisely ♥9!
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Posted 2017-February-19, 11:36
jallerton, on 2017-February-19, 11:22, said:
Nor very likely. The singleton would have to be precisely ♥9!
He could have a heart void and you have a 36% chance of 4H making (3-3 break).
If he has singleton Ace you have a 68% chance of an overtrick (3-2 break)
Any other heart singleton appears to be about equal - 68% chance of 10 tricks on a 3-2 break.
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Posted 2017-February-19, 12:37
It's a 3 loser hand even if the suit is only 8 high, so 2 ♣ seems normal.
If you have a reasonably disciplined approach to 2 ♣ openers and responses, you should be able to work out game vs. slam pretty quickly. And, as someone pointed out, you're odds on to make opposite a stiff ♥ in a Yarborough and even make some percent of the time opposite a void.
If you have a reasonably disciplined approach to 2 ♣ openers and responses, you should be able to work out game vs. slam pretty quickly. And, as someone pointed out, you're odds on to make opposite a stiff ♥ in a Yarborough and even make some percent of the time opposite a void.
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Posted 2017-February-19, 13:07
jallerton, on 2017-February-19, 11:22, said:
Nor very likely. The singleton would have to be precisely ♥9!
1eyedjack, on 2017-February-19, 11:36, said:
He could have a heart void and you have a 36% chance of 4H making (3-3 break).
If he has singleton Ace you have a 68% chance of an overtrick (3-2 break)
Any other heart singleton appears to be about equal - 68% chance of 10 tricks on a 3-2 break.
If he has singleton Ace you have a 68% chance of an overtrick (3-2 break)
Any other heart singleton appears to be about equal - 68% chance of 10 tricks on a 3-2 break.
Jallerton knows the odds of this game very well.
Do you know what "yarborough" is? If so you should have caught the humor about ♥9. Jallerton did not comment about the odds of making game but about the odds of pd holding a "yarborough" with a stiff ♥ when we have all smallest ♥ spots available up to the 8. He can correct me if I am wrong because English is native language of both of you and not mine.
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Posted 2017-February-19, 13:10
ok yes reread it missed what he meant
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
str-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees."Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2017-February-19, 14:24
Another awesome, thought inspiring thread by PhilG007!
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Posted 2017-February-19, 15:10
As it happened, I got a similar hand just a moment ago - not quite so strong in hcp mind you!
I opened 1♣ (what else can I do?) and was overcalled 1♠ which partner doubled. I wasn't sure if we have any agreement about negative X's so what do I do now?
I ventured 2♣ which was passed. Partner was void in clubs! Nevertheless by some fluke I made my contract. With six to no honours in the trump suit!
I realised afterwards that my p's X was for penalties and I should have left it. Oh well, that's for another day...
I opened 1♣ (what else can I do?) and was overcalled 1♠ which partner doubled. I wasn't sure if we have any agreement about negative X's so what do I do now?
I ventured 2♣ which was passed. Partner was void in clubs! Nevertheless by some fluke I made my contract. With six to no honours in the trump suit!
I realised afterwards that my p's X was for penalties and I should have left it. Oh well, that's for another day...
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Posted 2017-February-19, 15:31
661_Pete, on 2017-February-19, 15:10, said:
I realised afterwards that my p's X was for penalties and I should have left it. Oh well, that's for another day...
No it wasn't. He might have meant it for penalties, but that doesn't make it so. You should not have left it and he should not have doubled. He should have passed, you should have doubled, and if a 1 level penalty was really right, he could then pass.
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
str-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees."Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2017-February-19, 20:38
Of course I open 2♣
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Posted 2017-February-19, 22:07
Please pass as dealer, PhilG007. Pretty please.
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Posted 2017-February-20, 02:05
Vampyr, on 2017-February-19, 22:07, said:
Please pass as dealer, PhilG007. Pretty please.
This hand was not dealer,it was third in hand. Does that make a difference?
Oh and it was Game All.....
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Bridge is a game where you have two opponents...and often three(!)
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by how he handles the two's and three's" - Mollo's Hideous Hog
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Posted 2017-February-20, 06:13
PhilG007, on 2017-February-20, 02:05, said:
This hand was not dealer,it was third in hand. Does that make a difference?
Oh and it was Game All.....
Oh and it was Game All.....
Well, do you play undisciplined preempts in third seat?
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Posted 2017-February-20, 10:44
Vampyr, on 2017-February-20, 06:13, said:
Well, do you play undisciplined preempts in third seat?
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Posted 2017-February-20, 12:10
I must be an outsider as I've always felt that a slight underbid is not a crime. I open 1H and rebid 4H if the chance occurs. If I get to play 1H, so be it.
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Posted 2017-February-20, 15:46
Kaitlyn S, on 2017-February-20, 10:44, said:
That would be pushing the "undisciplined" envelope so far as to even make Marty Bergen cringe!
Maybe not PhilG though. You will remember the 19-count with two good 5-card suits where he advocated passing when LHO opened one of the other suits?
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Posted 2017-February-20, 16:57
PhilG007, on 2017-February-20, 02:05, said:
This hand was not dealer,it was third in hand. Does that make a difference?
Oh and it was Game All.....
Oh and it was Game All.....
Really? I would had bet 100 to 1 that the hand wasn't randomly dealt. If it was a real hand I would still bet the hands were predealt.
This is why I would be cautious, if someone has predealt this would you be surprised that 4♥ go 3 down when 7♣ makes?
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Posted 2017-February-21, 08:28
Vampyr, on 2017-February-20, 06:13, said:
Well, do you play undisciplined preempts in third seat?
Yes...under an assumed name (!)
"It is not enough to be a good player, you must also play well"
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Bridge is a game where you have two opponents...and often three(!)
"Any palooka can take tricks with Aces and Kings; the true expert shows his prowess
by how he handles the two's and three's" - Mollo's Hideous Hog
- Dr Tarrasch(1862-1934)German Chess Grandmaster
Bridge is a game where you have two opponents...and often three(!)
"Any palooka can take tricks with Aces and Kings; the true expert shows his prowess
by how he handles the two's and three's" - Mollo's Hideous Hog