GIB, the best partner ever....NOT
#1
Posted 2017-November-24, 06:49
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#2
Posted 2017-November-24, 09:06
Gib believes it has 6+ pts.
It will bid 4 card ♠ suit before 7-card ♦ suit on minimum hands.
If it later bids ♦ is <edit>often GF certainly shows much better hand.
Gib is just following it's Walsh type programming.
#3
Posted 2017-November-24, 09:19
I've witnessed many humans make the same mistake.
#4
Posted 2017-November-24, 09:36
billyjef, on 2017-November-24, 06:49, said:
No snickering, knowingly or sympathetically here. Walsh-type programming (as steve 2005 says) or not, GIB just doesn't know when to PASS. Period.
There's something fundamentally wrong with GIB's programming when it makes bad decisions on the first round of bidding. Obviously, the more bids that are made the more difficult it is to iron out problems, but here is it just the assumption that length and shortness guarantees a bid: we all know that it should be counting HCPs not total points on the first round without a fit, and there should be some overriding function that stops it from making silly bids like this.
Yes, it blew my mind too.
#5
Posted 2017-November-24, 10:22
Also, what the hell do you mean by "overriding function to stop silly bids". It's not like programming languages have a built in standard library call donotmakeasillybid();
Humans have to put in many, many rules to define what is silly and what is not.
#6
Posted 2017-November-24, 10:28
Stephen Tu, on 2017-November-24, 10:22, said:
Humans have to put in many, many rules to define what is silly and what is not.
Where do I go for the donotmakesillybid convention for my human partners?
#7
Posted 2017-November-24, 11:40
The_Badger, on 2017-November-24, 09:36, said:
There's something fundamentally wrong with GIB's programming when it makes bad decisions on the first round of bidding. Obviously, the more bids that are made the more difficult it is to iron out problems, but here is it just the assumption that length and shortness guarantees a bid: we all know that it should be counting HCPs not total points on the first round without a fit, and there should be some overriding function that stops it from making silly bids like this.
Yes, it blew my mind too.
Surrendering to existential truth is the beginning of enlightenment.
#8
Posted 2017-November-24, 12:31
#9
Posted 2017-November-24, 12:47
manudude03, on 2017-November-24, 12:31, said:
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#10
Posted 2017-November-24, 14:21
billyjef, on 2017-November-24, 12:47, said:
The way to show a weak hand with diamonds would be to bid 1N and then cheapest possible number of ♦.
If Gib did this everyone would complain about the possible missed spade fit.
#11
Posted 2017-November-24, 16:26
steve2005, on 2017-November-24, 14:21, said:
If Gib did this everyone would complain about the possible missed spade fit.
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#12
Posted 2017-November-24, 17:02
billyjef, on 2017-November-24, 16:26, said:
What would you call a magic fit? I did a quick sim, and any 4 spades along with 17-21 HCP is making 4♠ about 60% of the time. So it's not out of the question hoping for 4 card support.
#13
Posted 2017-November-24, 17:24
smerriman, on 2017-November-24, 17:02, said:
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#14
Posted 2017-November-24, 17:28
smerriman, on 2017-November-24, 17:02, said:
What are the odds of partner having 4 card spade support and 17-21 HCP???
#15
Posted 2017-November-24, 17:34
Stephen Tu, on 2017-November-24, 09:19, said:
I've witnessed many humans make the same mistake.
Responding 1NT with this hand may not be successful. Is GIB going to pass responder's 2♦ rebid with a void?
#16
Posted 2017-November-24, 18:16
johnu, on 2017-November-24, 17:28, said:
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#17
Posted 2017-November-24, 20:50
#18
Posted 2017-November-25, 06:32
I've always thought of myself as an aggressive and adventurous bidder, but, according this discussion, clearly I am more conservative than I imagined I was.
smerriman, on 2017-November-24, 20:50, said:
Surrendering to existential truth is the beginning of enlightenment.
#19
Posted 2017-November-25, 10:57
#20
Posted 2017-November-25, 11:16
Stephen Tu, on 2017-November-25, 10:57, said:
Surrendering to existential truth is the beginning of enlightenment.