[pescetom]

MP

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Seeing both hands it appears that EW can't go far wrong however they bid, yet in last night's MP tournament only 41% of tables actually bid a slam here (16% bid 6♣, 25% bid 6NT, 52% bid 3NT).
What would your usual methods have led to, assuming an uncontested auction?

[Tramticket]

It's always easy when you can see the two hands. The key is west's rebid: playing our (weak NT) system after the bidding starts 1♣-1♦, I will have a choice between 3♣, 1NT (15-18) and 2NT (19-20). The playing strength in the club suit would persuade me to choose to rebid 2NT and I would hope that this would persuade East to push on to slam.

[Cyberyeti]

For us:

1♣(4+)-3N (opposite a club, this is precisely 3343 13-15)

now there are lots of ways of continuing,a pretty likely one being:

4♦(keycard)-5♣(2+Q)
5♦(K)-5N(something I can't show another way so ♦Q with no major K)
6N (can count 12 and 13 can't be better than a finesse)

[TMorris]

pescetom, on 2020-January-29, 08:30, said:

MP

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Seeing both hands it appears that EW can't go far wrong however they bid, yet in last night's MP tournament only 41% of tables actually bid a slam here (16% bid 6♣, 25% bid 6NT, 52% bid 3NT).
What would your usual methods have led to, assuming an uncontested auction?

And if the Q ♦ were the Q ♠ how would one bid it?

[pescetom]

For us it would go much like Cyberyeti, 1♣-2♣(semi-artificial) or 1♣-3NT, after either of which 4♦ is RKCB(♣).
If responder did bid a natural 1♦ then we would probably proceed 2NT 4NT 6NT which may be old fashioned but still has sense I think.
I wouldn't be keen to reverse into 2♠ on three cards, but the hand can take it and that should work out well too.

After a 1♦ response I saw one West rebid a natural 3♣, which I don't much like here but surely deserved more than the 3NT response it received.

[pescetom]

TMorris, on 2020-January-29, 10:11, said:

And if the Q ♦ were the Q ♠ how would one bid it?

Meaning that East holds ♠QJ76 ♥A72 ♦A76 ♣Q53 ?
I don't see that as a real problem in bidding terms, assuming East will respond 1♠.
A rebid of 3♣ looks better now, or one could still risk 2NT or even 2♦ if that is known style.

[helene_t]

Playing Forum Precision, we might bid
1♣-2NT (13-15)
6NT

or maybe
1♣-2NT (13-15)
4♣-4♦(control)
4♠-4NT (should be to play but conveniently is is RKC for clubs)
5♣(0/3)-5NT(all)
6NT(minimum)

But this is a bit pointless as we probably can't stop below slam anyway even if we miss two keycards, so the first auction is better.

However, Walter Walrus wouldn't bid it with a combined 31 points, and I could see myself ending in 3NT, after for example (standard bidding)
1♣-1♦
2NT-3NT

In Benji Acol, as I played with pick-upps in Lancaster, it might go
2NT-6NT

I am learning Polish Club at the moment so I am curious if someone can help me out:
1♣-1♦
2♣- 2NT ?
We obviously don't play full system on after 2♣ as responder can't have a game force with length in a major, so maybe 2NT shows this.
Opener could maybe bid 6NT now, but responder is unlimited so it's a bit crude. Maybe just 3♣ and then some control bids?

[gwnn]

helene_t, on 2020-January-29, 14:54, said:

I am learning Polish Club at the moment so I am curious if someone can help me out:
1♣-1♦
2♣- 2NT ?
We obviously don't play full system on after 2♣ as responder can't have a game force with length in a major, so maybe 2NT shows this.
Opener could maybe bid 6NT now, but responder is unlimited so it's a bit crude. Maybe just 3♣ and then some control bids?

I played
1C-2S = balanced invite or balanced rightsiding.
1C-2NT = 13+ balanced, GF.

1C-1D
2C-2NT

sounds more like
Axx
Qxx
Jxxx
xxx
(1C-1D was either 0-7 or 8-11 unbalanced 1 or 2 minors.)

[nige1]

pescetom "MP. Seeing both hands it appears that EW can't go far wrong however they bid, yet in last night's MP tournament only 41% of tables actually bid a slam here (16% bid 6♣, 25% bid 6NT, 52% bid 3NT). What would your usual methods have led to, assuming an uncontested auction?
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Perhaps, on a good day

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[KingCovert]

Probably 6♣. Depends which one of us is West, my partner might find 6NT. Not sure that he would decide it's better though... I wouldn't think of it probably.

1♣ = 15+ (in 1st and 2nd seat)
1♦ = Game-Forcing
2♣ = 4+♣
2NT = 3-♣, no 5-card suit, Stronger than 3NT.
3♣ = 6+♣, no 2nd suit.
3♦ = Ace of diamonds.
3♠ = Ace of spades.
4♥ = Ace of hearts.
5♦ = King of diamonds.
6♣ = To Play.

6NT? Kind of hard for West to really see it though.

3♦ should agree clubs, in my mind, since we can never have diamond fit as West has no 2nd suit, and East has no 5-card suit. Possibly a slam try in No-Trump though.
5♦ should 100% show both AK♣, given the lack of a 4NT bid for 1430.
After 3♦, I might just bid 1430, but, I think this might throw away any chances at grand. I really can't ever know when it's on in a 1430 auction. Partner is flat though, seems unlikely. So, in keeping this in mind, I might also just pragmatically bid 6♣ directly over 3♦.

[ahydra]

Transfer Walsh

1C-1S (5+ pts no major)
3C-4C
4D-4H (cues)
4S-4N (cue, 1430)
5D-??

I'm not sure if East picks 6N as it's pairs, or 6C to be safe - knowing of 6C, 3D and 2 major aces, you may need to build a trick in a major after discarding the other major on the diamonds. For sure opps are leading a major so I think 6C is more prudent. The DJ is a huge card but neither player knows it.

If playing a style where 5N followup to RKC can't be raised to 7, then that works well (on another hand) as it reveals to East if there is a 12th quick trick.

ahydra

[AL78]

I doubt I would find it with any of my regular partners. The only way I can see playing some variety of Acol is as follows:

1♣ - 1♦
2NT* - 4NT**
6NT

*18-19 HCP
** Quantitative

Far more likely, it would go:

1♣ - 1♦
3♣ - 3NT

or

1♣ - 1♦
2NT - 3NT