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#1 User is offline   maris oren 

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Posted 2021-January-17, 10:22

What is the most acceptable response to partner's 2 C opening bid?

I learnt one way and my partner another
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Posted 2021-January-17, 10:34

I guess it depends a lot on what 2C means. Precision? Strong but non GF? GF? Weak with D or strong-ish?

I passed a strong non-GF 2C with J 7th C and out...
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Posted 2021-January-17, 10:46

View Postmaris oren, on 2021-January-17, 10:22, said:

What is the most acceptable response to partner's 2 C opening bid?

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Posted 2021-January-17, 10:53

Assuming 2C is strong and artificial, there are several possible schemes of responses. This is what I was brought up with and would assume to be in use if I sat down opposite a partner for a casual game:
2D is negative 0-7 (and over 2C-2D-2H/S 2NT is a second negative, showing a terrible hand)
Any other suit bid is 8+ hcp and natural, should be a reasonable suit
2NT is a scruffy flattish 8-10

With my regular partner I play 2D as more of a relay and a very good quality suit is required for a positive (roughly AKJ1098)

Control showing responses also used to be fashionable

The Kokish convention by opener is also popular these days (2C-2D-2H is a relay)

But there isn't really a "right" answer, just agree something and go with it
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Posted 2021-January-17, 11:27

View Postmaris oren, on 2021-January-17, 10:22, said:

What is the most acceptable response to partner's 2 C opening bid?

I learnt one way and my partner another


Where you are makes a difference too.

Some play a 2 response as an absolute bust with 2 guaranteeing something, for others 2 is the weakest bid.

It used to be a thing that you responded artificially with how many controls you have, but few if any do that now.
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Posted 2021-January-17, 11:40

2 I will agree with nullve. That seems to be the most common. However, with a regular partner agree the whole approach and what continuations and rebids mean, as the initial response depends on that. I am in the group that prefers 2 to deny holding whatever values you ascribe to 2, or other bids if any.
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Posted 2021-January-17, 13:27

7NT, but only if it works.
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Posted 2021-January-17, 13:36

View Postblackshoe, on 2021-January-17, 13:27, said:

7NT, but only if it works.


Or better, PASS (but only when it works). ;)
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Posted 2021-January-17, 14:14

View Postmaris oren, on 2021-January-17, 10:22, said:

What is the most acceptable response to partner's 2 C opening bid? I learnt one way and my partner another
After partner's strong 2 opener, John Matheson recommends control responses

  • 2 = ART. A king or less.
  • 2 = ART. 2 controls (A or KK).
  • 2 = ART. 3 controls (AK).
  • 2N = ART. 3 controls (KKK)
  • 3 = 4 controls.


But without detailed discussion, you might try ..
  • 2 = REL. Catch all.
  • 2/2/3/3 = NAT good 6+ card suit
  • 2N = BAL 9+ HCP with tenaces.

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Posted 2021-January-17, 14:43

View Postmaris oren, on 2021-January-17, 10:22, said:

What is the most acceptable response to partner's 2 C opening bid?

I learnt one way and my partner another

Who can adjust more easily to the other's way of playing it?

If you're playing Standard American (the plug-and-play of systems) or one of its offshoots:

For beginners, I'd recommend 2 waiting because that allows auctions similar to 1-level openers and has the friendliest learning curve. I'd add the double negative response as something beginners should use from the very start, even though I didn't learn it. After a 2 opener:
  • 2 = waiting bid, not stopping below game (some play it only forcing one round)
  • 2 = total bust hand (0-2 HCP or so), opener rebids whatever contract they want to play in
  • 2 = natural bid, whatever partnership has agreed is required
  • 2NT = natural bid, whatever partnership has agreed is required

Fairly intuitive and easy to remember.

With non-beginners, I've lost track of how many different response systems I've seen used by SA players. 2 waiting is most common, controls (aces and kings) and HCP showing up often enough that I'm not surprised.
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Posted 2021-January-17, 15:16

One of my partners likes:

2 = 0-5 hcp & 0-1 control
2 = 6+ hcp & 0-1 control
2 = 2 controls
2NT = 3 controls (3 Kings)
3 = 3 controls (A+K)
3 = 4 controls, etc.

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Posted 2021-January-17, 22:09

My personal favorite set of responses is as follows...

2: basically waiting, but promises an A or K
2: As above, but denies an A or K. Not necessarily a bust, could in theory be as strong as QJx QJx QJx QJxx or similar. The point is it denies a quick trick, which often lets opener rule out slam immediately. If we do end up exploring, responders cuebids are now unambiguously shortness.
2NT: 3 kings and at least semi-balanced. I'm not a fan of control responses in general, but I like this one, because it will very often rightside 3N/6N.
Other bids: Natural, good suit. Minimum being something like AKTxx or KQTxxx.
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Posted 2021-January-18, 16:58

View Postnige1, on 2021-January-17, 14:14, said:

But without detailed discussion, you might try ..
  • 2 = REL. Catch all.
  • 2/2/3/3 = NAT good 6+ card suit
  • 2N = BAL 9+ HCP with tenaces.



I slightly prefer:
  • 2 = REL. Catch all.
  • 2/2 = NAT good 5+ card suit
  • 3/3 = NAT good 6+ card suit
  • 2N = minors 5-5


Never saw any sense in a natural 2NT death reply.
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Posted 2021-January-18, 17:07

From Romex, but usable in a SA or 2/1 context:

2: 0-1 control (A=2, K=1)
2: 2 controls
2: 3 controls
2NT: 4 controls
3: 5+ controls
3: weak two bid in hearts, 6 hearts and about 4-6 points, GF
3: weak two bid in spades, 6 spades and about 4-6 points, GF

There's more, but this is enough for now. :-)

Note: a 2 opener usually ought to have at least six controls (there are twelve controls in the deck). Also, the 2 and higher bids are forcing to game. It should be no surprise to hear that 2-2-2NT can be passed.
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Posted 2021-January-19, 07:19

With neither a hand nor a system, "most acceptable" just has no meaning. If I open 1, what is the most acceptable response? Generally speaking, the most acceptable response is the one that best fits your hand given the system being used.
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