[smalt]

My right hand opponent opened 1 Diamond with this hand.
Playing canapé, would you open this hand 1D with this 6/4 distribution S/D?


♠AQJ986
♥5
♦AQ102
♣A6

[nullve]

If playing Roman Club: Yes

If playing Blue Club: No

[blackshoe]

Is this a ruling question or a bidding question?

[pescetom]

If playing Turin Club: Yes (then 2♠)

[hrothgar]

Canape is an approach, not a bidding system

The choice of bid with this hand depends on your system.

[helene_t]

nullve, on 2021-February-21, 13:43, said:

If playing Roman Club: Yes

If playing Blue Club: No

Wouldn't you open 1♣ in both systems? Canape systems usually have limited openings.

[nullve]

helene_t, on 2021-February-21, 16:53, said:

Wouldn't you open 1♣ in both systems? Canape systems usually have limited openings.

The 1♦,1♥ and 1♠ openings in Roman Club have the same wide range as in 2/1.

[johnu]

nullve, on 2021-February-21, 17:17, said:

The 1♦,1♥ and 1♠ openings in Roman Club have the same wide range as in 2/1.

Is there anybody who still (or ever played) plays Roman Club in the last 50 years?

[nullve]

johnu, on 2021-February-21, 19:20, said:

Is there anybody who still (or ever played) plays Roman Club in the last 50 years?

In Norway: 2-3 players. I believe they still play it when partnering each other.

[spotlight7]

johnu, on 2021-February-21, 19:20, said:

Is there anybody who still (or ever played) plays Roman Club in the last 50 years?

I played a lot of Roman Club at the Congressional Secretaries Bridge club in the late 70s or early 80s.

I also played Roman Club as a change of pace(once in a while} over the last 50 years.

[ali quarg]

As a side question for the experts:

Are there any 1♣ systems that open 1♣ with 15-17hcp or long ♣s

[helene_t]

ali quarg, on 2021-February-22, 02:04, said:

As a side question for the experts:

Are there any 1♣ systems that open 1♣ with 15-17hcp or long ♣s

If you play coded minors (or Mexican 2♦) in an otherwise standard short-club system with a 12-14 1nt, then 1♣ is natural or 15-17 balanced.

But a system in which 1♣ includes 15-17 any shape (not necessarily balanced) sounds odd. It makes little sense to show point counts that accurately without showing shape at the same time.

There was a crazy teacher in Amstelveen who managed to get many of the pairs in his club to play
1♣=16-19 any
1♦=20+ any
I think you could improve on this by putting hands with long clubs into the 1♣ opening, but it remains a very bad system.

[ali quarg]

helene_t, on 2021-February-22, 14:34, said:

If you play coded minors (or Mexican 2♦) in an otherwise standard short-club system with a 12-14 1nt, then 1♣ is natural or 15-17 balanced.

But a system in which 1♣ includes 15-17 any shape (not necessarily balanced) sounds odd. It makes little sense to show point counts that accurately without showing shape at the same time.

There was a crazy teacher in Amstelveen who managed to get many of the pairs in his club to play
1♣=16-19 any
1♦=20+ any
I think you could improve on this by putting hands with long clubs into the 1♣ opening, but it remains a very bad system.

Thanks for the reply

I've just started looking at strong 1♣ systems and am considering the varieties. I'm OK with the way my system is evolving and caters for Strong hands well, but I find that it is those 15-17 2-suited hands that can sometimes be hard to pin down especially when the longer one is a minor.

[nullve]

helene_t, on 2021-February-22, 14:34, said:

But a system in which 1♣ includes 15-17 any shape (not necessarily balanced) sounds odd. It makes little sense to show point counts that accurately without showing shape at the same time.

How about

1♣ = Moscito (15+) but not 18+ unless primary C
1♦ = NAT unBAL (11-14, 4D5C possible) but not 15-17 OR 18-20 BAL
1M = Chapi 8* (standard but not 15-17)
1N = 12-14 BAL (4414 possible)
2♣ = Precision but 11-14
2♦ = 23+ BAL or any GF w/o primary C
2M = Weak
2N = 21-22 BAL

or

1♣ = Moscito (15+) but not 18+ unless primary C
1♦ = NAT unBAL (11-14, 4D5C not possible) OR 18-20 BAL
1M = Chapi 8* (standard but not 15-17)
1N = 12-14 BAL (4414 possible)
2♣ = Fantunes but 11-14
2♦ = 23+ BAL or any GF w/o primary C
2M = Weak
2N = 21-22 BAL

?

* benlessard's Chapi 8 system: https://bridge.downa...tem=s2ftdw1w63o

[blackshoe]

Bruce Watson has just published Strong Club, Unbalanced Diamond, based on Marshall Miles' 2007 My System: The Unbalanced Diamond. Personally, I'm sticking to Santa Fe Precision or Standard Modern Precision, or perhaps an amalgamation of both, but you may find something useful in Watson's book.