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Double or not?

Poll: Do you double? (36 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you double?

  1. Of course I X, this is 2-3 down! (7 votes [19.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.44%

  2. Well yes I do. (9 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  3. I am tempted, but I don't (14 votes [38.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 38.89%

  4. Are you crazy? Why give away trump trick? (6 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

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#1 User is offline   cherdano 

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Posted 2005-June-08, 18:34

Scoring: IMP

1♣-1♥-1♠-P
2♠-P-4♠-AP

So with this 10 count, you watch your gold star opponents bid to 4♠ while your partner overcalled 1♥. Do you double? (As an aside, what do you lead?)

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Posted 2005-June-08, 19:04

Yes I double
Lead small S.

BTW WHY DID I NOT BID 1NT OVER 1S AND LET PARTNER HAVE A DECISION IN THIS?

1) My p has overcalled vul. We agreed this would not be a silly bid and I only have two hearts.
2) Not worried about giving away trump position. I am leading small trump.
3) At my low level I cannot let them intimidate me or lose partner's respect.
4) Whether they make it or not I can learn something from this hand.
5) THE FIELD WILL LEAD A OF D TO LOOK AT DUMMY BLAH BLAH BLAH BUT LOSE A TEMPO.
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Posted 2005-June-08, 19:19

DBL and lead DA.
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Posted 2005-June-08, 19:19

i double and lead the ♦A, maybe then the K, depending... if dummy has 3 or, even better, 4 hearts i'll probably lead a heart.. i'd like to let partner force declarer
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Posted 2005-June-08, 20:08

I wouldn't dream of doubling. Pard has placed our vulnerable lives on the line to made a "lead-directing" overcall on x, KQJ9x, xxxx, xxx as I believe he should. He has no idea how the auction will progress, but he does know one thing for sure: he wants me to lead a heart. Doubling here to me is a "punishment" of partner for trying his best to help out the partnership to help direct a lead.

Not only that, but it blows up the spade suit and helps declarer play the hand.

By passing quietly in tempo I expect to go +100. Doubling easily risks a -790 when +200 is more than likely our maximum.

I lead a heart. We might build 1 heart trick. I don't expect 2. And I don't like a diamond lead from AK10x as declarer may hold QJx.

But then, I'm an underbidder,

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Posted 2005-June-08, 20:15

Winstonm, on Jun 8 2005, 09:08 PM, said:

I wouldn't dream of doubling.  Pard has placed our vulnerable lives on the line to made a "lead-directing" overcall on x, KQJ9x, xxxx, xxx as I believe he should.  He has no idea how the auction will progress, but he does know one thing for sure: he wants me to lead a heart.  Doubling here to me is a "punishment" of partner for trying his best to help out the partnership to help direct a lead.

Not only that, but it blows up the spade suit and helps declarer play the hand.

By passing quietly in tempo I expect to go +100.  Doubling easily risks a -790 when +200 is more than likely our maximum. 

I lead a heart.  We might build 1 heart trick.  I don't expect 2.  And I don't like a diamond lead from AK10x as declarer may hold QJx.

But then, I'm an underbidder,

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AHHHH shucks WinstonM and I agreed with so much of your bidding and reasoning up to the point you overcalled 1H on this hand :) What happen to Al Roth?
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Posted 2005-June-08, 20:34

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AHHHH shucks WinstonM and I agreed with so much of your bidding and reasoning up to the point you overcalled 1H on this hand  What happen to Al Roth?


Al's my partner, and 'Believe it or Don't', he is a firm believer in "lead directing" overcalls, so AL-Pard would bid 1H. But to make it easier on you, I'll change his hand slightly: void, KQJ9x, QJxx, xxxx. Oh, boy, now we can hold them to a measly -790 after the double, taking 1H, 1D, and :) only 1 spade because of my big mouth. After all, the opponents aren't idiots. Bet one of them holds a red suit singleton.

Al-pard is NOT going to like this.

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Posted 2005-June-08, 20:45

Pass,then lead ♥8.
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Posted 2005-June-08, 23:58

Wish we could have bid 1nt.
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Posted 2005-June-09, 01:53

Double. Where are their tricks? AK of spades and a few clubs at most.
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Posted 2005-June-09, 02:24

Pass, no need to dbl for -1 in imps (and giving away the trump position so they might actually make)...
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Posted 2005-June-09, 03:21

I am tempted, but I don't.

I would have bid 1NT too, we could still have game.

I give away a tempo by leading the diamond ace.
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Posted 2005-June-09, 07:16

No way would I x. That would be like advertising that trumps are breaking badly and asking declarer to play it double dummy. Often you will beat it 2 and if you X just beat it one for no swing. But sometimes you'll beat it 1 and they'll make because you Xed. The opps powered into game so there is likely some distribution. One of my diamonds may not cash, that would really be a disaster. I don't think +500 is sufficiently likely to warrant a X. If they had had an invitational auction I would though.
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Posted 2005-June-09, 08:20

Depends on who's partner, a vulnerable overcall should offer 1.5 dedfensive tricks or so, that is enough to put the contract at least 1 off.
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Posted 2005-June-09, 11:20

I would double....as they say, if you are always successful when you double, you're not doubling enough.....

Lead A or K ♦ (to show partner I have the other). Upon seeing dummy, possibly collect second diamond winner before switch to partners suit.

Which spade honor's dummy has will determine how I play the trump suit...
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Posted 2005-June-09, 11:49

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So with this 10 count, you watch your gold star opponents bid to 4♠


O.K. Seriously, now. If the 4-spade bidder were Fred Gitelman or Zia, would you really double? How do you like your chances, now?
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Posted 2005-June-09, 13:05

Winstonm, on Jun 9 2005, 12:49 PM, said:

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So with this 10 count, you watch your gold star opponents bid to 4♠


O.K. Seriously, now. If the 4-spade bidder were Fred Gitelman or Zia, would you really double? How do you like your chances, now?

So you mean they NEVER over-bid?
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Posted 2005-June-09, 13:08

Xing expert opps with a trump stack is usually a bad idea as they will play it double dummy. Against weak opps, they will get rattled and play it even worse so its a good idea lol.
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Posted 2005-June-09, 13:10

Jlall, on Jun 9 2005, 07:08 PM, said:

Xing expert opps with a trump stack is usually a bad idea as they will play it double dummy. Against weak opps, they will get rattled and play it even worse so its a good idea lol.

That's true, but even double dummy, when they have 5 top losers they will lose them.
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Posted 2005-June-09, 13:11

haha, good point. Although I must admit you expect more from pards 1H bid than I do :P
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