[chasetb]

First time playing this 1♦ option. What is the best bid, and what should be the difference between Pass/4♥/4NT/5♣?

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[glen]

chasetb, on 2022-January-17, 01:17, said:

First time playing this 1♦ option. What is the best bid, and what should be the difference between Pass/4♥/4NT/5♣?

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Time for the choice of games cuebid, you do not want to have to bid clubs naturally

[awm]

I'm not sure why a cuebid would be choice of games here -- it looks like diamonds are agreed (opened and raised). Which strains would the choice of games be between anyway? It seems like opener has denied a spade fit (could've raised spades over 3♥, could've bid spades over 4♦) and the idea that responder should somehow infer a seven-card club suit and choose this game with i.e. 5242 and weak spades seems far-fetched.

I'm not sure how this 1♦ opening style is supposed to work (seems like a bad idea to me) but given you are playing this way, it seems much better to bid 4♣ over 3♥ to clarify the nature of the hand (very long clubs, extras, not really diamonds) rather than making a "values" double.

[mikeh]

I agree with everything Adam wrote

Also, I don’t understand why this hand should be seen as ‘cards with defence’

We have a stiff heart 2…that seems unlikely to be useful should partner pass the double, which the phrase ‘with defence’ suggests he consider doing.

Our club suit rates to take 1 trick on defence, and nobody would be shocked if it took zero.

Btw, as a point of emphasis, I simply don’t understand how north can ever bid clubs and have south know what to do. Has north never been dealt nor thought about a minor two suiter? When is south supposed to work out the partner, bidding 4C over 3H, is 3=7 as opposed to, say, 5=5? F course, maybe this method has an opening to show a minor two suiter (maybe 2N)
But at what systemic cost?

[LBengtsson]

I am guessing you play Precision/Schenken-style Big Club. If one of this is your system, then you need to open this hand 1♣ as the (competitive) auction you have posted will make your choice difficult later if you open 1♦ as you have done. This hand is far stronger than 14 points with its two AK and a seven card suit.

However, on the auction given, as you have not only ♦xx (minimum) but ♦AKx and a max hand with a good ♣ suit that could be established, I feel you must make a slam try with 4♥ here even though partner has given preference only.

[cherdano]

Since it would be absolutely foolish to play such a 1♦ opener without discussing how to distinguish pure club hands from diamond-club two-suiters in more common low level auctions, I am sure you have done so. Right? So maybe you could have told us about these agreements?

[foobar]

+1 to everything that Adam wrote. Also, the X showing defensive values, especially with a stiff heart and a hand that looks very offensive, seems really misplaced.