[Cyberyeti]

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What level do you wish to enter the auction ? what is your general strategy ? and would it make a difference if was all vul rather than none (MPs)

[DavidKok]

We're not making 5♦ on power, and partner rates to be rather broke on the auction. On the bright side nobody has bid clubs yet. Also their 4M or 5♣ might be making, and 5♦ could be a profitable sacrifice. I don't have a thought out bidding plan. I don't feel confident we can keep them out of their 4M when it is right, so I don't see a big upside to jumping immediately. Also we might make 3NT (give partner ♥Jxx and a club stopper, diamonds running). I think there is a case for bidding 3NT immediately, possibly running to 4♦ if we get doubled. The main alternative is 2♦, hoping that an additional exchange of information benefits us more than the opps. If either opponent has ♦Qxx that contract will be horrible, but the odds of that aren't too great.

I should likely be more cautious at MPs, where the upside to gambling isn't quite so big and the downside is much more severe. 2♦, then.

[mw64ahw]

3♦ as an intermediate jump overcall works for me and the hand has the distribution on its own for 4♦.
3NT is tempting with 4 outstanding ♦s and A♠ as an entry. 3♥ as a stopper ask for 3NT may be the better bid

[Cyberyeti]

 mw64ahw, on 2023-October-08, 05:40, said:

3♦ as an intermediate jump overcall works for me and the hand has the distribution on its own for 4♦.
3NT is tempting with 4 outstanding ♦s and A♠ as an entry. 3♥ as a stopper ask for 3NT may be the better bid

You are playing weak jump overcalls, that's the one level you're not going to bid.

[akwoo]

I'm playing wide ranging jump overcalls opposite a passed partner (even when they're in overcalling seat), but even then this is too strong for 3♦.

I'd consider 3♥ as a stopper ask but I'll go with 2♦. Surely the auction won't die there, and then rebidding 3♦ shows a hand too good for a weak-to-intermediate jump overcall, which there is a chance partner could do something with.

[pescetom]

Looks like a great opportunity for some fun on Friday night. I bid 3NT like Davidkok and if doubled run first to clubs then to diamonds

[P_Marlowe]

 Cyberyeti, on 2023-October-08, 05:52, said:

You are playing weak jump overcalls, that's the one level you're not going to bid.

Why?

In the end we dont expect partner to contribute anything to the auction.

Given that partner already had a chance to speak, I am free like the wind to do what I please,
being red means 3D wont be complete garbage.

Being red playing MP, you dont want to go -200 vs. nothing.

I think 3D suits me fine. Let the dice roll. They may be over / under bidding bidding, and they will
be hard pressed to finde their major suit fits with confidence.


As it is, it is not even clear they have game. I will sell out to a partial, and I wont sac. against
their game.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mikeh]

Very tough because we have little idea about how the high cards lie. Yes, LHO opened, so he has about 12+, depending on methods and style. RHO might have a weak hand or anything up to a full opener himself. If he is good, he probably doesn’t have a weak hand with 3 hearts…those hands should usually raise rather then bid spades.

Meanwhile, if RHO is weak, partner could have a very useful hand. He’d not bid over 2H with a myriad of 7-10 counts, as an example. While I agree that he ‘rather rates’ to be broke, that’s far from saying that ‘he’s broke’. Nobody would act over 1H with say xxx Kxxx Qx Axxx and he’s not bidding over anything we bid, nor are the opps.

5D has some attraction because if partner has a useful smattering, it may make while, if he’s bust but has 2+ diamonds, it’s going to be a great save. Note that, given our majors and overall hcp, 5D will usually end the auction, perhaps doubled, perhaps not.

The problem is that -300 will often be a poor result, either because they can’t make game (picture partner with a stiff or void diamond, let alone the ‘smattering’ of hcp he may have, or they wouldn’t bid it, so would get 170 if we allowed them to play 3M.

Historically I’ve always erred on the side of ‘avoiding’ disaster but much of the time that approach simply generates an average minus while the aggressive call would generate a good result

So I bid 5D. I’m increasingly of the view that, when one neither knows nor likely has any way to find out what to do, be aggressive. Be a tough opponent.

If I’m opener with a good hand, short diamonds, or responder with an invitational hand, short diamonds would I prefer my opp to bid 3D, 4D or 5D?

I’d prefer the lowest number of diamonds.

Btw, what I think would be horrible would be to bid 3 or 4D then bid 5D over their game (unless partner unexpectedly showed support)

[AL78]

I'm with Mike, bid 5♦ and let the opponents make the last guess, they won't necessarily get it right. Even better if your opponents are a pair who bids like they have a phobia of defending, as they are almost guarenteed to bid on, and you may have enough to get them down if they do.

[P_Marlowe]

5D is not giving a guess.
It ends the auction, as Mike said, this includes a final X, if either opp has add. values he makes the X,
otherwise (maybe) not.

Will it be good, who knowes, the guess was taken by the guy who made the 5D bid.

[Cyberyeti]

 P_Marlowe, on 2023-October-08, 11:50, said:

Why?

In the end we dont expect partner to contribute anything to the auction.

Given that partner already had a chance to speak, I am free like the wind to do what I please,
being red means 3D wont be complete garbage.

Being red playing MP, you dont want to go -200 vs. nothing.

I think 3D suits me fine. Let the dice roll. They may be over / under bidding bidding, and they will
be hard pressed to finde their major suit fits with confidence.


As it is, it is not even clear they have game. I will sell out to a partial, and I wont sac. against
their game.

With kind regards
Marlowe

Not at all, partner could have a hand as good as a weak no trump here and nothing to bid, Kx, AJx, xxx, xxxxx probably makes a grand.

I chose 2♦ and it continued X (3 spades) -P-3♣

Now what ?

[Gilithin]

5♦ at Love All. Probably just 4♦ at Game All, although 3♥ is a serious contender here, particularly if opps might have only ~13hcp between them, so I should probably add "depending on partner and opps". I note that the original hand was at Green making it a very obvious 5♦ call, despite not a single table making it! Also, is East not the Dealer? The traveller is extremely confusing and even contradictory.

[Cyberyeti]

 Gilithin, on 2023-October-08, 21:19, said:

5♦ at Love All. Probably just 4♦ at Game All, although 3♥ is a serious contender here, particularly if opps might have only ~13hcp between them, so I should probably add "depending on partner and opps". I note that the original hand was at Green making it a very obvious 5♦ call, despite not a single table making it! Also, is East not the Dealer? The traveller is extremely confusing and even contradictory.

The hand in the hand records is not the one that was actually played, it had to be redealt (this was F2F not BBO). Was board 4 so definitely dealer W.

I don't know where you're looking this up from, but I suspect it was not the right hand you were looking at.

Played at 4 tables, 2 of them in 5♦, one doubled.

[Gilithin]

 Cyberyeti, on 2023-October-09, 01:59, said:

I don't know where you're looking this up from, but I suspect it was not the right hand you were looking at.

Hand 6. I assumed you must be one of the pair that finished second but now I understand that the traveller from board 4 is the one I should be looking at.

[Cyberyeti]

 Gilithin, on 2023-October-09, 10:30, said:

Hand 6. I assumed you must be one of the pair that finished second but now I understand that the traveller from board 4 is the one I should be looking at.

Those were the correct cards, but they and the results were in board 4.

We played pretty well but results conspired against us as they often do with only 4 and a half tables, this was almost the only high spot.

I bid 2♦ and over X(support)-P-3♣ bid 3♦ the actual vul was game all and W decided to show extras with a double which by their methods was penalty orientated but not necessarily a trump stack, just extras and there we rested, W led a spade which led to a trick 1 claim. I think he should lead a top heart just in case I have the 3370 version of this hand in which case they need to find the heart ruff. EW can make 5♣ or 4♠E.