[jillybean]

Perhaps a little aggressive with this hand but it had me wondering, why not show the other 2 suits.

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2D pass or correct, what else can it be?

[bluenikki]

jillybean, on 2025-May-20, 18:31, said:

Perhaps a little aggressive with this hand but it had me wondering, why not show the other 2 suits.

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2D pass or correct, what else can it be?

It could be diamonds only. (Or would 2♦ the previous round be to play? I think it should be, but I am a voice in the wilderness.)

[jillybean]

bluenikki, on 2025-May-20, 19:32, said:

It could be diamonds only. (Or would 2♦ the previous round be to play? I think it should be, but I am a voice in the wilderness.)

2♦ to play would work

[mw64ahw]

X pick a red suit

[mike777]

mw64ahw, on 2025-May-20, 23:30, said:

X pick a red suit

Are you sure double is takeout not penalty?
Is your partner sure?
Is playing it as
penalty better on this auction?

Reminds me of a somewhat similar auction from past Monday at club with first time partner.

I doubled RHO in 3c as penalty
Passed back to RHO who bids 3H
I double again
Except this time partner pulls my penalty double and puts us in a failing contract.

[paulg]

mw64ahw, on 2025-May-20, 23:30, said:

X pick a red suit

My rule is that doubles are penalty once we have tried to pass out the hand, so this would be a penalty double.

It may not be a perfect rule for all hands but it is simple and easy to apply.

[P_Marlowe]

X - T/O, and just do it.
As it is, even if p passes and given your huge defensive assets it makes, ... 2CX= is only 180,
you basically need a 50% chance to get it down.

Our rule is, if T/O still makes sense, it is T/O. And it makes sense as long as there are at least
two suits left to choose from and the X occurred at a low level.
In the given seq. 2D should be natural, common agreement set made it impossible to show diamonds
at the 2 level earlier, and a 2C would show inv. values .. pass did not deny values short of inv.
strength.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mw64ahw]

mike777, on 2025-May-21, 00:05, said:

Are you sure double is takeout not penalty?
Is your partner sure?

Yep double definitely takeout.
I had two such calls on Monday with a first time partner one of which was passed out for penalty for a top when partner had their suit.
But yes I have had the odd passive pickup partner who does nothing without a few points and has no idea whether its penalty or takeout.

[jillybean]

The myriad of possible interpretations of doubles makes doubling dubious in all but regular partnerships, even then there can be some doubt.
As we see here, 2 differing styles. I'll discuss this at the game today.

[Huibertus]

I could be ♦ (or rather should be). I'd double, it would be takeout in both hands in my book. Apart from playing either ♦ or ♥ this provides the 3rd option to defend 2♣ doubled which would be best if partner chooses to pass after a takeout double.

Partner might well have something like;

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[mw64ahw]

jillybean, on 2025-May-21, 06:36, said:

The myriad of possible interpretations of doubles makes doubling dubious in all but regular partnerships, even then there can be some doubt.
As we see here, 2 differing styles. I'll discuss this at the game today.

To make it easy there are only two types of doubles Penalty & Bid Again doubles

[jillybean]

mw64ahw, on 2025-May-21, 07:12, said:

To make it easy there are only two types of doubles Penalty & Bid Again doubles

That makes it easy

[DavidKok]

There is a trick for finding out: if the auction is at 7♥ or below, and you're not sure, the default is takeout

In all seriousness the meanings of doubles can be tricky. However, in modern days, it's very often takeout.