[WasWinM]

 pescetom, on 2025-August-01, 09:25, said:

So lots of ways to skin this cat. But let's go with the auction at the table, which has some following here too.

MP

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What would Double here mean in your agreements?
Would you contemplate it with these cards?

Don’t know. No.

[pescetom]

Cyberyeti, on 2025-August-01, 10:14, said:

I didn't pass this

Yes I imagined you would say that
I would be tempted by 1♠ (and seriously interested with say ♦KJTxx), but it's too much for our 2/1 system and local style.

You discover you passed, what now?

[DavidKok]

I'm with the rest here on not passing this hand

This is a clear pass to me now. Double may alert declarer about the play, and 4♠ can be quite strong. Simply gracefully let declarer go one or two off on noticing the trump position.

[Cyberyeti]

pescetom, on 2025-August-01, 12:51, said:

Yes I imagined you would say that
I would be tempted by 1♠ (and seriously interested with say ♦KJTxx), but it's too much for our 2/1 system and local style.

You discover you passed, what now?

Could open a multi and now could be extremely confusing to opps sorting out shich suit I have (and yes I could have 10xxxx in first seat unlike the reqs for second seat)

[mikeh]

Late to the thread

1. I’d not open as west. I do open some 10 counts with good shape but I’ll always hold at least 1 ace and this isn’t a 10 count and doesn’t have an ace. I can see the advantages of such a style. Fortunately I also see the truly enormous flaws if playing a 2/1 type of method. Different story if playing a forcing club

2. In my regular partnership, the north hand is a multi…5-9 hcp, 6M. Otherwise it’s an easy 2S. I don’t understand 3S red in 2nd seat after west passed. We rate to be preempting partner as often as we are preempting LHO, and second seat is when one should, imo, make the soundest preempts. Ironically, if we were white v red in 1st or 3rd seat I’d also open 2S, but this time because the hand is too good for 3S!

3. I agree with 4S. The chances of slam are remote and the chances of bidding it are even more remote so why tell east anything about our hand or opener’s? Anyone who bids 2N or 3H is doing two bad things. Wasting time and leaking information

4. Only a beginner would think of doubling 4S and most of them wouldn’t.

[pescetom]

 mikeh, on 2025-August-02, 00:32, said:

Late to the thread

1. I’d not open as west. I do open some 10 counts with good shape but I’ll always hold at least 1 ace and this isn’t a 10 count and doesn’t have an ace. I can see the advantages of such a style. Fortunately I also see the truly enormous flaws if playing a 2/1 type of method. Different story if playing a forcing club

2. In my regular partnership, the north hand is a multi…5-9 hcp, 6M. Otherwise it’s an easy 2S. I don’t understand 3S red in 2nd seat after west passed. We rate to be preempting partner as often as we are preempting LHO, and second seat is when one should, imo, make the soundest preempts. Ironically, if we were white v red in 1st or 3rd seat I’d also open 2S, but this time because the hand is too good for 3S!

3. I agree with 4S. The chances of slam are remote and the chances of bidding it are even more remote so why tell east anything about our hand or opener’s? Anyone who bids 2N or 3H is doing two bad things. Wasting time and leaking information

4. Only a beginner would think of doubling 4S and most of them wouldn’t.

Thanks as always.

I polled the possibility of opening by West on that other site, will give that some time.

I didn't feel it necessary to poll the double, although I am interested in comments about what it should mean (and whether it would differ had North rather than West been Dealer).

But at my table West did double and East bid 5♥, doubled by South, which cost them 2000 (unfortunately it was MP, but still).

They are a regular and fairly good pair, which made the misunderstanding more surprising (but then many players are unwilling to discuss things like Doubles, for some reason).

[DavidKok]

I think mikeh is discussing opening the West hand with 1♠. I meant that it is a preemptive opening, therefore not a pass.

[pescetom]

DavidKok, on 2025-August-01, 14:15, said:

I'm with the rest here on not passing this hand

I think the majority was short lived


Here is what that other forum says so far:

Current Poll Results:
1♠: 3 votes (14%)
2♠: 1 vote (5%) (*)
Pass: 18 votes(82%)

(*)6-10 5= spades, 4+ minor

[pescetom]

Let's assume that the agreement was X=penalty and West did not take the risk.

MP

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Your lead, and was it close?

[mike777]

Ten Hearts
not close

[mikeh]

Impossible to be objective. I wouldn’t place much weight in what anyone says.

For example, I think I’d lead the diamond ace on the basis that, with partner having passed, either the contract is unbeatable or maybe the spade break is as bad as it actually is. In the first case, I’m trying to hold overtricks by leading my ace and then looking at dummy and partner’s card….both of which might tell me I should have led something else. In the second case, I want to take any trick(s) I can before they go away.

But I can argue all I want that this is the logical approach….and still be faced with the fact that it’s a lot easier to lead the Ace when I know the hand. But if I chose a heart (I’d never lead a club) I’d be guilty of trying to look objective rather than making what I do think is a good lead.

[pescetom]

 mike777, on 2025-August-02, 09:44, said:

Ten Hearts
not close

The best player in my club said the same.

I've looked at the board too much to be objective.