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#1 User is offline   Polixenes 

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Posted Yesterday, 11:46

In this auction
1 - Double - 1 - Double

What does this second double mean?

(a) Penalty with juicy spade holding
(b) 44 in Clubs and Hearts saying "I don't mind what you choose partner"
© Club support but only a Heart tolerance (3 cards)
(d) Something else?

If you chose (a) would it make a difference if the second Double was by a passed hand?
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Posted Yesterday, 11:50

Take out, equal preference for Clubs and Hearts
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
If you are my partner, please never tell me "I play the rule of (insert #)"
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Posted Yesterday, 11:54

View PostPolixenes, on 2025-November-06, 11:46, said:

In this auction
1 - Double - 1 - Double

What does this second double mean?

(a) Penalty with juicy spade holding
(b) 44 in Clubs and Hearts saying "I don't mind what you choose partner"
© Club support but only a Heart tolerance (3 cards)
(d) Something else?

If you chose (a) would it make a difference if the second Double was by a passed hand?

I think a) used to be standard, and we still play it that way, but responsive b)
may have gained.
The passed hand status would not change the meaning of the X for us.
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted Yesterday, 11:59

In most partnerships (b) responsive hearts and clubs, in one partnership (d) exactly 4 card hearts (partner is almost certain to hold 3 or 4).
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Posted Yesterday, 13:07

Thanks folks, I'll ask my partner if we can agree the (b) option, possessing both missing suits.
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Posted Yesterday, 13:21

d, exactly 4 decent spades, 2 would show 5+
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Posted Yesterday, 14:51

View PostPolixenes, on 2025-November-06, 11:46, said:

In this auction
1 - Double - 1 - Double

What does this second double mean?

(a) Penalty with juicy spade holding
(b) 44 in Clubs and Hearts saying "I don't mind what you choose partner"
© Club support but only a Heart tolerance (3 cards)
(d) Something else?

If you chose (a) would it make a difference if the second Double was by a passed hand?


Don't let the fool you with mini-psychs, this is the perfect situation for it, big fit and no spades. Double has to mean "That is what I wanted to bid". "Wanted" not being "had to".

As for the advocates of responsive; partner doubled, you should feel free to bid and and if you have the values for a responsive double you can just bid 2 and 3 over further competition, if partner's hand is bad for both he didn't have a double.
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Posted Yesterday, 18:34

It shows 4+ spades, but it is misleading to call it penalties. The purpose is to retain the possibility of declaring spades.

It's not for exposing a psych, but rather exposing xxxx in spades.
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